Cold Air Induction Test for ALL aftermarket System?? - Page 6 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Deeboe · 08-20-2009, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miketebo22

This thread makes me hard...i have a New Era Intake and am very interested in how it stacks up performance wise!

?

lol

RuggZ · 08-21-2009, 12:58 AM

I too am waiting on this test for my purchase. I like the look and idea of New Era, Vararam is similar concept but plastic (it seems). I question the ones that pull the air from the stock location with the shroud. ADM race option looks like it could work well as it's fully enclosed but I dont want to loose my washers (not that I use them)

Time will tell.

Get it on boys

I got money to spend.

oachalon · 08-25-2009, 06:45 PM

We really need to do this. I am interest in getting an intake but dont know what to get. Someone get this test going. Companies should put there money where their mouth is and test them all in same conditions.

Bentley78 · 08-25-2009, 06:48 PM

Has ADM chimmed in on this yet??

ADM PERFORMANCE · 08-25-2009, 07:16 PM

I would love to send ours anywhere....

I just sent one to LINGENFELTER to use and Tillman speed had good results with our Original Prototype!

No problems here..I like friendly competition.

BTW-I datalog every car prior to install and after Install just to make sure the conditions are equal.

BTW-You must keep the hood closed when you test ours..as well as the others. ONLY FAIR!

Andy

oachalon · 08-25-2009, 10:49 PM

sounds good to me. i would love to see the results.

Doc · 08-25-2009, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADM PERFORMANCE

I would love to send ours anywhere....

I just sent one to LINGENFELTER to use and Tillman speed had good results with our Original Prototype!

No problems here..I like friendly competition.

BTW-I datalog every car prior to install and after Install just to make sure the conditions are equal.

BTW-You must keep the hood closed when you test ours..as well as the others. ONLY FAIR!

Andy

Andy steps up to the plate... SOLID. Says a lot to me right there.

Tillman Speed · 08-26-2009, 09:23 AM

ADM really does make a great product! We're excited to use their RACE version on our Stage 4 System!!!

ADM and Roto-Fab are the two brands we carry here in-house and both are top quality!

I like the similarities and differences in their kits. We're always a huge fan of large-diameter plastic intake tubing. We feel this leads for the most ideal intake air temperatures and in the short run affects timing numbers and power! I like the fact that the ADM has a concealed box for the filter. And places the MAF inside for heat reasons. I also like the fact that ADM has an insanely well constructed intake shield as well, and both utilize the factory mounting point.

You do have to realize at some point that almost all of the intakes make around the same power, and no test will ever be ideal conditions, unbiased, etc. *insert foot in mouth on our last post in this thread*

This happened with the S197 Mustang Platform a few years back and all of the tests were bogus. It was actually a list (in order of who spends the most advertising money with the magazine).... for the most part.

With all that being said, ADM and Roto-Fab, ftw! I have no reason to look elsewhere for intake systems. Now.... someone make me a 110mm diamer intake system good for 800+ to the tire, and I'll use it on my Stage 5 Camaro build plans!

Chris

ADM PERFORMANCE · 08-27-2009, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tillman Speed

ADM really does make a great product! We're excited to use their RACE version on our Stage 4 System!!!

ADM and Roto-Fab are the two brands we carry here in-house and both are top quality!

I like the similarities and differences in their kits. We're always a huge fan of large-diameter plastic intake tubing. We feel this leads for the most ideal intake air temperatures and in the short run affects timing numbers and power! I like the fact that the ADM has a concealed box for the filter. And places the MAF inside for heat reasons. I also like the fact that ADM has an insanely well constructed intake shield as well, and both utilize the factory mounting point.

You do have to realize at some point that almost all of the intakes make around the same power, and no test will ever be ideal conditions, unbiased, etc. *insert foot in mouth on our last post in this thread*

This happened with the S197 Mustang Platform a few years back and all of the tests were bogus. It was actually a list (in order of who spends the most advertising money with the magazine).... for the most part.

With all that being said, ADM and Roto-Fab, ftw! I have no reason to look elsewhere for intake systems. Now.... someone make me a 110mm diamer intake system good for 800+ to the tire, and I'll use it on my Stage 5 Camaro build plans!

Chris

Careful what you ask for...You might just get it.

Andy

Roto-fab 1 · 08-27-2009, 06:51 AM

We are definitely willing to test the Roto-fab intake against any and all intakes out there. We've incorporated many features in our design to maximize performance. I too have concerns about the testing being biased-especially with the GM MAF sensor equipped vehicles as they are so sensitive to intake temps.
That being said, we did enter a similar test with the HEMI vehicles last year. Initially, we were reluctant to send our intake system to a group in California we had never heard of to do a test such as this. In the end, we performed well and we were voted "crowd favorite" among those on hand during the actual test session. Overall, the test boosted sales and interest in our products.
The testing facility also evaluated packaging of the product upon arrival, installation instructions, as well as overall fit and appearance-all of which are important to the end user. We scored very well in all of categories these categories as well. Performance is the primary purpose of our intake; however, we do our best to make sure your overall performance is a good one

Tillman Speed · 08-27-2009, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADM PERFORMANCE

Careful what you ask for...You might just get it.

Andy

That would be awesome! Imagine just the sensor range in a 110mm housing!

I just noticed I asked for a 110mm "diamer" intake, above.

on my spelling.

Late Model Racecraft · 08-28-2009, 12:35 AM

Well, a piece of this has been done, let's open it up to the whole field!

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/texas-...-new-shop.html

Make sure it includes:
1. gains on the stock tune
1.5 NO CHECK ENGINE LIGHTS on stock tune
2. stock car (M6 or A6, just keep it the same car)
3. gains with dyno tune
4. hood open AND hood closed

ORANGE U NV · 08-28-2009, 01:51 PM

I'm really hope this happens, but why test cars with the hoods up for this comparison? I would think the best test conditions would simulate driving...hood closed maybe with hi output fans.
As for the tuned numbers, it would have to be the same tune to be fair and I can see there could be some disagreement on that issue.
Again ,I hope all can agree on the test and make it happen!

Late Model Racecraft · 09-02-2009, 05:35 PM

Still trying to make this happen guys. Keep your fingers crossed.

08-21-2009, 12:58 AM	#72
RuggZ IM BAACK - ABM 2SS/Rs M6 Drives: 2010 SS Camaro&00 Firehawk#534 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Dundee, IL Posts: 37	I too am waiting on this test for my purchase. I like the look and idea of New Era, Vararam is similar concept but plastic (it seems). I question the ones that pull the air from the stock location with the shroud. ADM race option looks like it could work well as it's fully enclosed but I dont want to loose my washers (not that I use them) Time will tell. Get it on boys I got money to spend. __________________ *~RuggZ~* 2010 Camaro SS/Rs ABM M6 blk rally stripes Moonroof 1993 GMC Yukon GT -to run stuff over- Black Cherry/Grey 1999 Olds Aurora '152 db audio system' Bronzemist/lt Grey 2000 Pontiac Trans Am FIREHAWK #534 of 704 Blk/Blk 2007 Buick LaCrosse 3.8 run 4ever, work car

08-25-2009, 07:16 PM	#75
ADM PERFORMANCE Drives: Anything I want Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: DfW - Texas Posts: 5,405	I would send ours anywhere I would love to send ours anywhere.... I just sent one to LINGENFELTER to use and Tillman speed had good results with our Original Prototype! No problems here..I like friendly competition. BTW-I datalog every car prior to install and after Install just to make sure the conditions are equal. BTW-You must keep the hood closed when you test ours..as well as the others. ONLY FAIR! Andy

08-28-2009, 12:35 AM	#82
Late Model Racecraft Drives: 98 Camaro Race Car 3.96 @ 202 MPH Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 979 View My Garage	Well, a piece of this has been done, let's open it up to the whole field! http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/texas-...-new-shop.html Make sure it includes: 1. gains on the stock tune 1.5 NO CHECK ENGINE LIGHTS on stock tune 2. stock car (M6 or A6, just keep it the same car) 3. gains with dyno tune 4. hood open AND hood closed __________________ FIRST C7 Corvette in the 7's & 9's 2019 ZR1 LT59.00@ 157 Current C7 World Record Holder 7.55@ 184MPH Quickest and Fastest GEN5 LT Powered Vehicle LMR1200HP Supercharged C7 8.84 @ 160** LMR1200HP Twin Turbo C7 9.35@155mph-2014 2 TIME OUTLAW DRAG RADIAL LSX CHAMPION 2008/2010 9.47 ZR1 Corvette-2009 FIRST 2010 CAMARO in the 9's-2010 713-466-9900 Latemodelracecraft.com

08-28-2009, 01:51 PM	#83
ORANGE U NV Drives: The Wife Crazy Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TAMPA BAY Posts: 550	I'm really hope this happens, but why test cars with the hoods up for this comparison? I would think the best test conditions would simulate driving...hood closed maybe with hi output fans. As for the tuned numbers, it would have to be the same tune to be fair and I can see there could be some disagreement on that issue. Again ,I hope all can agree on the test and make it happen! __________________ "God is great, beer is good and people are crazy" 2010 2SS IOM/IOM L99 Black Rally Stripes, Polished Wheels, Loudmouth II, Rotofab CAI, IOM Heritage Grille,Tune by Jeremy Formato (Fasterproms Tuning).

09-02-2009, 05:35 PM	#84
Late Model Racecraft Drives: 98 Camaro Race Car 3.96 @ 202 MPH Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 979 View My Garage	Still trying to make this happen guys. Keep your fingers crossed. __________________ FIRST C7 Corvette in the 7's & 9's 2019 ZR1 LT59.00@ 157 Current C7 World Record Holder 7.55@ 184MPH Quickest and Fastest GEN5 LT Powered Vehicle LMR1200HP Supercharged C7 8.84 @ 160** LMR1200HP Twin Turbo C7 9.35@155mph-2014 2 TIME OUTLAW DRAG RADIAL LSX CHAMPION 2008/2010 9.47 ZR1 Corvette-2009 FIRST 2010 CAMARO in the 9's-2010 713-466-9900 Latemodelracecraft.com

08-25-2009, 06:45 PM	#73
oachalon Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mentor, Ohio Posts: 999 View My Garage	We really need to do this. I am interest in getting an intake but dont know what to get. Someone get this test going. Companies should put there money where their mouth is and test them all in same conditions.

08-25-2009, 06:48 PM	#74
Bentley78 Rice Cooker Drives: Avalanche Z/71, 2010 Camaro2SS Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hawaii/Phoenix Posts: 591	Has ADM chimmed in on this yet??

08-25-2009, 10:49 PM	#76
oachalon Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mentor, Ohio Posts: 999 View My Garage	sounds good to me. i would love to see the results.

08-26-2009, 09:23 AM	#78
Tillman Speed Drives: 2010 Camaros Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Aston, PA Posts: 47	ADM really does make a great product! We're excited to use their RACE version on our Stage 4 System!!! ADM and Roto-Fab are the two brands we carry here in-house and both are top quality! I like the similarities and differences in their kits. We're always a huge fan of large-diameter plastic intake tubing. We feel this leads for the most ideal intake air temperatures and in the short run affects timing numbers and power! I like the fact that the ADM has a concealed box for the filter. And places the MAF inside for heat reasons. I also like the fact that ADM has an insanely well constructed intake shield as well, and both utilize the factory mounting point. You do have to realize at some point that almost all of the intakes make around the same power, and no test will ever be ideal conditions, unbiased, etc. insert foot in mouth on our last post in this thread This happened with the S197 Mustang Platform a few years back and all of the tests were bogus. It was actually a list (in order of who spends the most advertising money with the magazine).... for the most part. With all that being said, ADM and Roto-Fab, ftw! I have no reason to look elsewhere for intake systems. Now.... someone make me a 110mm diamer intake system good for 800+ to the tire, and I'll use it on my Stage 5 Camaro build plans! Chris

08-27-2009, 06:51 AM	#80
Roto-fab 1 Drives: 16 Camaro SS w/ Roto-fab CAI Join Date: May 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,682	We are definitely willing to test the Roto-fab intake against any and all intakes out there. We've incorporated many features in our design to maximize performance. I too have concerns about the testing being biased-especially with the GM MAF sensor equipped vehicles as they are so sensitive to intake temps. That being said, we did enter a similar test with the HEMI vehicles last year. Initially, we were reluctant to send our intake system to a group in California we had never heard of to do a test such as this. In the end, we performed well and we were voted "crowd favorite" among those on hand during the actual test session. Overall, the test boosted sales and interest in our products. The testing facility also evaluated packaging of the product upon arrival, installation instructions, as well as overall fit and appearance-all of which are important to the end user. We scored very well in all of categories these categories as well. Performance is the primary purpose of our intake; however, we do our best to make sure your overall performance is a good one

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