Are 22"s too big

[2010_5thgen]

yeah im telling you they weight the same. i weighed them when they came in on an industrial stretch wrap/scale where i work and its calibrated every 3 months. so i know it is right.

[2010_5thgen]

Originally Posted by Doc

So you're trying to tell us that your 360 22x9.5 fronts and 22x11 rears weigh EXACTLY THE SAME? And you claim MY weights aren't accurate???

My "facts" are dead on with the stock weights but you don't know where I'm getting my weights from because to you "they clearly aren't accurate"? What wasn't clear? The posted screen snaps or the link so you could verify the source? I'm sorry dude but at this point you just have no credibility. You haven't posted any proof whatsoever of what you're claiming and it just doesn't add up. You haven't "set me strait [sic]" (it's 'straight' btw) and I simply don't believe you. I'm posting published weight specs that can be verified with the links to them. Show us a photo of one of your rear wheels with tire sitting on a scale and the scale showing it weighing 67 lbs and maybe you'll have some credibility.


Thank you for giving us the tire as it looks like a great performer at great prices but everything else you've posted is starting to slide into flag territory.

my credability is that i own the wheels and tires and you dont. i weighed everything as it came in and wrote it down. you dont have ot believe me. and honestly i dont care if you do or not. the weights you got on the tires are not accurate. the company charges you for shipping. that is why the weights looked higher than what i have. they make money on the shipping. if you have ever dealt with any shipping companies, they mark up the weights so that they make more money. because if you didnt know you get charged for shipping depending on what class(weight) the item is in.

and yes the front and the back can weigh the same. have you ever heard of a thing called"offset" their 2 different offsets. meaning there is more thickness in the area that connects to the hub on the front and not as much on the back. with more aluminum in the front that would make th front wheels weight the same as the back with the back having less. you dont know a thing about wheels do you?if you dont mind me asking, how old are you?

[2010_5thgen]

so like i said
360 forged 22" with tires
67 lbs rear total
65 lbs front total per corner

stock 20's
67 lbs rear total
61lbs front total per corner

[Doc]

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

360 forged and they weigh 55lbs with the tires. ill have to double check when i get to work. i wrote down the weights of both sets of wheels.. the stock wheels and tires weight somewhere around 52-53lbs. not to mention i have 295 rears and 275 front over the 245 front 265 rear with the 20's. plus my wheels make me stand out in a crowd when ever other camaro has the midnigh silver or polished 20's.

Here's the problem; your "facts" have changed significantly in this thread as to what you have and what they weigh. That's why you have no credibility.

I know about those things you referred to in your last post and more, and as for age, I was in high school when the Camaro originally came out so yeah I know a few things. I know you claimed your wheels weighed 55 lbs earlier in this thread and now suddenly they don't. Thanks for the tip on the Vredesteins but you can keep the rest of your "facts" cause I don't believe you nor do I "care" anymore either.

You have a good one.

[Doc]

Oh and to the OP, sorry for hijacking your thread; didn't mean to.

[Nine Ball]

FYI, the 9.5 and 11.0 wheels do actually weigh nearly the same. Think about it, we are only talking about a very thin band of aluminum being the difference between them. What do you think a 1.5" wide hoop of aluminum (say typical 5mm (or 0.2") thick)

Lets figure it out. On a 22" wheel this band would be 138" in circumference.

P = 2(pi)R
P = 2(pi)22
P = 138.23 inches

Hoop volume = 138.23 x 1.5 wide x 0.20 thick
Hoop volume = 41.47 cu-in

Density of Aluminum = 0.098 lbs/in^3

Weight = Density x Volume
Weight = 51.83 x 0.098
Weight = 4.06 lbs

Therefore, a 22x9.5 and 22x11 wheel should weigh approx 4 lbs difference, if the center (face) forgings are the same thickness. Sometimes wheel manufacturers make the front spokes thicker on the backside to handle the engine load. This might result in front and rear wheels weighing very close to the same.

[2010_5thgen]

Originally Posted by Nine Ball

FYI, the 9.5 and 11.0 wheels do actually weigh nearly the same. Think about it, we are only talking about a very thin band of aluminum being the difference between them. What do you think a 1.5" wide hoop of aluminum (say typical 5mm (or 0.2") thick)

Lets figure it out. On a 22" wheel this band would be 138" in circumference.

P = 2(pi)R
P = 2(pi)22
P = 138.23 inches

Hoop volume = 138.23 x 1.5 wide x 0.20 thick
Hoop volume = 41.47 cu-in

Density of Aluminum = 0.098 lbs/in^3

Weight = Density x Volume
Weight = 51.83 x 0.098
Weight = 4.06 lbs

Therefore, a 22x9.5 and 22x11 wheel should weigh approx 4 lbs difference, if the center (face) forgings are the same thickness. Sometimes wheel manufacturers make the front spokes thicker on the backside to handle the engine load. This might result in front and rear wheels weighing very close to the same.

thank you for clearing this up. this guy doesnt know what hes talking about. i got the wheels in and weighed them . they both weighed the same, front and back. i was just as shocked as he is that they weighed the same.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by Nine Ball

FYI, the 9.5 and 11.0 wheels do actually weigh nearly the same. Think about it, we are only talking about a very thin band of aluminum being the difference between them. What do you think a 1.5" wide hoop of aluminum (say typical 5mm (or 0.2") thick)

Lets figure it out. On a 22" wheel this band would be 138" in circumference.

P = 2(pi)R
P = 2(pi)22
P = 138.23 inches

Hoop volume = 138.23 x 1.5 wide x 0.20 thick
Hoop volume = 41.47 cu-in

Density of Aluminum = 0.098 lbs/in^3

Weight = Density x Volume
Weight = 51.83 x 0.098
Weight = 4.06 lbs

Therefore, a 22x9.5 and 22x11 wheel should weigh approx 4 lbs difference, if the center (face) forgings are the same thickness. Sometimes wheel manufacturers make the front spokes thicker on the backside to handle the engine load. This might result in front and rear wheels weighing very close to the same.

Yes but very close and exactly aren't exactly the same are they? I appreciate what you're trying to do but the problem is the info he himself posts.

In another thread he says:

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

Heres my wheels for my ss/rs. They are a 22x11 rear and a 22x9 front. ....

So his wheel size changes from 22x9 to 22x9.5, and the weight varies from 55 lbs to whatever he decides it currently is and then he does the "get your facts strait" [sic] blah blah routine. And to top it all off, he has the SUV version of the Ultrac Sessanta which is reinforced and heavier than the regular Ultrac Sessanta.

Here's a pic from his other thread which shows what he bought and some snaps from Vredestein's website that shows the SUV version being 2 steps below the high performance Sessanta, and describes the reinforcment in the tire to handle the heavier loads of SUV's. He has the heavier tires.

Best way to solve this? Take a video of him putting one of his 22x11 rears with the SUV tire on it on a scale and showing what it weighs. Any bets that it weighs more than 67 lbs?

[2010_5thgen]

your acting like a little kid. theres no getting around it. brad paisley made a song about you. have you ever heard it? "so much cooler on line...."

and the tires are the SUV tire. they are made the exact same way as the regular tires. they dont make the regular ones in a 22 with the dimensions i needed and the suv tire is the same construction. god you are a loser and you need to start acting your age instead of like a little kid.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

your acting like a little kid. theres no getting around it. brad paisley made a song about you. have you ever heard it? "so much cooler on line...."

and the tires are the SUV tire. they are made the exact same way as the regular tires. they dont make the regular ones in a 22 with the dimensions i needed and the suv tire is the same construction. god you are a loser and you need to start acting your age instead of like a little kid.

Right... about what I expected. You can't back up your changing claims with actual proof so resort to name calling. Post a video of you weighing one of your wheels, otherwise stop wasting bandwidth here.

[97one]

[QUOTE=2010_5thgen;802210]your acting like a little kid. theres no getting around it. brad paisley made a song about you. have you ever heard it? "so much cooler on line...."

You of all people saying " acting like a little kid "

You said Quote:
"discrepancies from my post?????? from the start???? how long have you bbeen a member of this site? " ...Why would ask that Question when you can see the answer ?
Just like I could ask you your age, But why would I when you state you are 26.
Why did you ask Doc his age? Did you think he was younger than you ?

[usmcjlp]

All right guys this is getting ugly. Can we please let it go? There is no way to settle this here. How about we agree to disagree and get back to wheels and tires.

[Doc]

The original poster wanted to know if 22's were too big; most people think they look too big, myself included. However that isn't necessarily a reason to not get them if that's what you like and want; it's your car. Just be aware that there IS a performance penalty with regards to acceleration, braking and handling, as well as a much greater chance of damaging a rim on a pothole in the road or something because you had to run such a low profile tire to make that big rim fit.

22's are not going to perform as well as 20's, which are not going to perform as well as 19's, which are not going to perform as well as 18's. This is why Pedder's is working like crazy to get an 18 to fit their setup; they've already succeeded with a 19.

If you're just going to cruise around town, go to parking lot shows and hangout with your friends, and they as well as you think these big rims look "badass" then get what you enjoy; it's your car. If you want to build for performance, do 1/4 mile runs at the track, autocross or just want the best performance, then do NOT get 22's; regardless of what any poster says. Ask Pedders or any reputable source what's best for performance; 22's or 20's and they'll tell you right quick what's best to get.

[600hp-lpe]

I am probably going to downsize to 19" wheels. I want to compete in SCCA SOLO II events. A shorter wheel/tire profile will:

a.) lower the car.
b.) be lighter.
c.) help to optimize the handling characteristics
d.) give more power as the rollout (diameter) of the tire will be shorter
e: effectively change the overall gearing READ: quicker

A smaller wheel/tire will compromise the top end performance.
I am o.k. with that - I don't plan on driving at 200 MPH.

A LARGER wheel/tire combo will do the opposite of what I listed, above.

It all depends what you want. Some people want to look good. Some want to go fast.

I want handling and power and have an excess of both. I don't care about looks.