Tuned hellcat 705whp

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by rocket403

You have no clue, Sorry we just live in igloos here I have to put studded tires on the Challenger to get around.

So far this year Charger, 300 sales have outsold Impala (4-3 to 1) and Lacrosse (10-1 ) Canadian
Challenger over Camaro 2-1

for 2015
FCA has a 18% market
Ford 15%
GM 12%

Fiat 500 outsold Mustang, Camaro and Challenger

So far this year...you mean in Jan/Feb? Hahahahaaaa. The bestselling Dodge in Canada is...the Grand Caravan??

The only reason FCA is doing well anywhere is thanks to Jeep and Ram - neither of which make a Challenger. Now, go shovel your driveway and let this thread get back on topic

[macwest]

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

All I need are the facts. Not your misguided opinion. The fact is Dodge consistently ranks among the worst in the industry in dependability year, after year, after year. They also rank among the worst in service alongside their corporate cousins Jeep and Ram.



ANECDOTAL experience. The FACT is, Dodge experiences far more problems than the industry average. Every reliability index on Earth shows this.

I haven't owned a modern Dodge so I can't speak to what dealers will or won't cover from tracking, drag strip, general abuse. I've never had pushback from Porsche, Chevrolet or Cadillac when I've put cars on the track. Heck, Cadillac dealer even flushed, bled and refilled the brake lines with Motul 600 before taking it to VIR (I provided the Motul), all free of charge alongside my regular free maintenance.

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Listen when I am looking for a quality automotive brand I seek out the manufacturer with the following 1st place standings.

ABC News’ John Kapetaneas reports:
General Motors is under scrutiny for yet another round of safety recalls, focusing this time on the power switches of several SUV models that could potentially catch fire when left unattended. GM is advising owners of select SUVs to park their vehicles outdoors until the problem can be fixed. Originally issued June 30 but now updated with the fire risk, this is the third such recall for this group of automobiles, which includes the 2006 and 2007 model Chevy Trailblazer, GMC Envoy, Buick Rainer, Saab 97-X and Isuzu Ascender. The recall will cover about 189,000 vehicles, and will be the 60th one issued this year. GM has faced some negative repercussions from the nearly 29 million cars it has called back for automotive issues, including an 80 percent drop in second-quarter profits two weeks ago.

[gen6waiter]

Respect..the Hellcat is straight line fast out of the box but I am with Medisin, Dodge/Chrysler reliability is mediocre at best. Aesthetics and power....they keep up well enough but product Quality is just something Dodge doesn't seem to spend a lot of $ trying to get right.

[rocket403]

Challenger reliability and consumer reviews show that the three Pony cars are very close in this area and I have not come across anyone that has had issues with their Challenger.

[macwest]

Originally Posted by rocket403

Challenger reliability and consumer reviews show that the three Pony cars are very close in this area and I have not come across anyone that has had issues with their Challenger.

Yeah right. Let me correct you on that one... I have a 2010 challenger and customer service bites. As for issues, this one was a beauty... less then a year ago had the front spoiler, front fender liners and lower part of grill come detached after a oil change. As I started to drive off, out of their service department, and heard a drag, I got out and it was like what the ***K .I immediately returned the car... then it was 2 hours later with dodge saying not their fault, They finally fixed, I proved their personal drove it onto their oil rack and messed it up but what I had to go through. With my camaro I even hint of an issue they are all over it at no charge.

[rocket403]

Dealer is more of the issue than Dodge in that case, I have 2 dealers that I take my car to and both of them I trust.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by macwest

Yeah right. Let me correct you on that one... I have a 2010 challenger and customer service bites. As for issues, this one was a beauty... less then a year ago had the front spoiler, front fender liners and lower part of grill come detached after a oil change. As I started to drive off, out of their service department, and heard a drag, I got out and it was like what the ***K .I immediately returned the car... then it was 2 hours later with dodge saying not their fault, They finally fixed, I proved their personal drove it onto their oil rack and messed it up but what I had to go through. With my camaro I even hint of an issue they are all over it at no charge.

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My 10 Camaro's drive belt ate itself at the outer edge because the crank pulley wasn't properly aligned from the factory two months after purchase. Next the alternator died with no warning at all a few weeks later. Would this mean that Camaro's quality was bad? Or could it be that there were just a few minor issues with a new car?

On my 13 Ram my rear window trim piece became unglued at the corner, so I guess its quality is also bad. On my Wife's Honda mini-van 3/4 low tire pressure sensors were bad 2 weeks after delivery, and the passenger side visor mirrors died about a month after. I guess this makes it a bad quality brand as well. My 2012 5.0 Mustang MT82 transmission would not go into 3rd gear at hard throttle, it also had a blown door speaker, I guess it was bad as well.

To sum it up things happen with all brands.

[96MrBass]

So JD Power isn't a reliable source I guess is what your saying? They all have their problems some are just going to have more than other's.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

So JD Power isn't a reliable source I guess is what your saying? They all have their problems some are just going to have more than other's.

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What I am saying is I really don't care what JD Power says, where do they get their info? Is the info provided to them correct, is it a proper representation for the particular vehicle you presently own or will own?

What I go by is the experiences that I have had with the manufacturer. Going by this for the past 15 years I have had less issues with my Dodge products than the Ford, Honda, and Chevy products. But they all have had some issue regardless.

My experience with Dodge is 3 Dodge Rams, and 1 Challenger over the past 15 years and I have had 2 issues with the Rams, one covered out of the warranty period (heater bypass door), and the other within (rear window trim molding), the Challenger had no issues. I think this is a pretty good track record considering I tend to use my vehicles hard.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Listen when I am looking for a quality automotive brand I seek out the manufacturer with the following 1st place standings.

ABC News’ John Kapetaneas reports:
General Motors is under scrutiny for yet another round of safety recalls, focusing this time on the power switches of several SUV models that could potentially catch fire when left unattended. GM is advising owners of select SUVs to park their vehicles outdoors until the problem can be fixed. Originally issued June 30 but now updated with the fire risk, this is the third such recall for this group of automobiles, which includes the 2006 and 2007 model Chevy Trailblazer, GMC Envoy, Buick Rainer, Saab 97-X and Isuzu Ascender. The recall will cover about 189,000 vehicles, and will be the 60th one issued this year. GM has faced some negative repercussions from the nearly 29 million cars it has called back for automotive issues, including an 80 percent drop in second-quarter profits two weeks ago.

Your ever enduring ignorance on high display again. Recall's are PROACTIVE initiatives that PREVENT problems for occurring for owners in the future. This has nothing to do with dependability. Think of all the dependability issues that could be avoided for FCA if they utilized recalls adequately.

Originally Posted by rocket403

Challenger reliability and consumer reviews show that the three Pony cars are very close in this area and I have not come across anyone that has had issues with their Challenger.

So close the Challenger isn't even mentioned. They left the third spot UNFILLED as the Challenger was so far below the other two they couldn't include it.

Originally Posted by newmoon

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My 10 Camaro's drive belt ate itself at the outer edge because the crank pulley wasn't properly aligned from the factory two months after purchase. Next the alternator died with no warning at all a few weeks later. Would this mean that Camaro's quality was bad? Or could it be that there were just a few minor issues with a new car?

On my 13 Ram my rear window trim piece became unglued at the corner, so I guess its quality is also bad. On my Wife's Honda mini-van 3/4 low tire pressure sensors were bad 2 weeks after delivery, and the passenger side visor mirrors died about a month after. I guess this makes it a bad quality brand as well. My 2012 5.0 Mustang MT82 transmission would not go into 3rd gear at hard throttle, it also had a blown door speaker, I guess it was bad as well.

To sum it up things happen with all brands.

Yes, things happen to all brands. They happen even more frequently if they are FCA brands.

Originally Posted by newmoon

What I am saying is I really don't care what JD Power says, where do they get their info? Is the info provided to them correct, is it a proper representation for the particular vehicle you presently own or will own?

Of course you disregard what JD Power says - it goes against your opinion. Facts are annoying like that.

Originally Posted by newmoon

What I go by is the experiences that I have had with the manufacturer. Going by this for the past 15 years I have had less issues with my Dodge products than the Ford, Honda, and Chevy products. But they all have had some issue regardless.

My experience with Dodge is 3 Dodge Rams, and 1 Challenger over the past 15 years and I have had 2 issues with the Rams, one covered out of the warranty period (heater bypass door), and the other within (rear window trim molding), the Challenger had no issues. I think this is a pretty good track record considering I tend to use my vehicles hard.

All well and good. Doesn't change the fact that the average Dodge is going to end up at the dealer for service more frequently than just about every other vehicle on the road.

[macwest]

Originally Posted by newmoon

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To sum it up things happen with all brands.

Not like to a dodge. And I repeat, regardless on anyones view of dependability, their customer service plain stinks. Lets do quick compare

GM - I have an issue - both dealers i use in my area try their best to get it covered and if not they do anything they can to get me a discount.

Dodge- They immediately charge me unless I argue I have the extended protection plan and even then they try to find ways to get me to pay. .

GM - If i need a car while my car is in . they photocopy my license and hand me a set of keys to a fueled up car. No Charge

Dodge - they tell me I need to walk down to rental company and rent the car.

GM - after service I get a follow up phone call asking if their is anything else I need and how can they make it better. Last time the owner of the dealership actually called me. I was impressed and surprised he took the time to call a c austomere up.

Dodge - If you are lucky dodge customer service may call and if you say anything went wrong they quickly get off the phone.

No matter how you slice or dice it dodge in my area bites. If you have better service I am happy for you.

[rocket403]

Found this Medisin from what I see the 3 are very close

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...2_12386-356530

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Your ever enduring ignorance on high display again. Recall's are PROACTIVE initiatives that PREVENT problems for occurring for owners in the future. This has nothing to do with dependability. Think of all the dependability issues that could be avoided for FCA if they utilized recalls adequately.

28,834,837 vehicle recalls for GM in 2014, Proactive- This is getting really funny. Wasn't GM basically sued to disclose the issues in these recalls after hiding the damaging information since 2001? Didn't the CEO and others loose their jobs over this? Yes sir that is the proactive service we are all looking for.


Maybe you should review this:
http://autos.jdpower.com/research/Ch...oupe/index.htm