Shelby GT350R faster than Z/28?

[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The Z/28 starts it's life as a Z/28.

At no point is it ever a SS.

Where do people get this crap?

This is true....during production the line knows what cars are scheduled to be built and all parts for that car are lineside. People on here post so much crap it's really getting really bad.

[VADER SS L99]

Its a gen 6 Mustang vs a gen 5 out of production Camaro. Looks to be a great car for a great price but I find the fact that people want to fairly compare them entertaining.

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Its a gen 6 Mustang vs a gen 5 out of production Camaro. Looks to be a great car for a great price but I find the fact that people want to fairly compare them entertaining.

It's the fastest track Camaro built by GM currently available versus the fastest Mustang build by Ford currently available. It will definitely be entertaining to see them going head-to-head and even more entertaining to see what happens if/when an Alpha-based z/28 is produced.

[nighttowl]

Originally Posted by ztwentypoop

It's the fastest track Camaro built by GM currently available versus the fastest Mustang build by Ford currently available. It will definitely be entertaining to see them going head-to-head and even more entertaining to see what happens if/when an Alpha-based z/28 is produced.

This always happens. the z28 has been out for a while, surely we all knew that ford was going to come out with a competitive vehicle for it.

for what these cars sell for including the track time, R&D, staff (payroll), and engineering costs divided by the low amount of cars produced leads me to believe there is no way they could break even on these programs; but surely the attention they get from them is great for marketing.

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Its a gen 6 Mustang vs a gen 5 out of production Camaro. Looks to be a great car for a great price but I find the fact that people want to fairly compare them entertaining.

well Chevrolet doesn't offer a new competitor so the Fifth Gen Z/28 is the closest option to compare. You can still buy them brand new and Camaro is always a year or two behind on the next generation so I can't see why people wouldn't compare them. There will be 2015 GT350s and 2015 Z/28s. Seems pretty reasonable to compare rival cars of the same model year.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by trademaster

well Chevrolet doesn't offer a new competitor so the Fifth Gen Z/28 is the closest option to compare. You can still buy them brand new and Camaro is always a year or two behind on the next generation so I can't see why people wouldn't compare them. There will be 2015 GT350s and 2015 Z/28s. Seems pretty reasonable to compare rival cars of the same model year.

You can still buy a 15 Z/28 but can't yet get your hands on a 16 GT350. Were comparisons made between the 14 GT500 and 15 Hellcat? They were at least generationally the same.

I would like to see the 16 GT350 and 15 Z/28 compared but it does lose something since a new Camaro gen will be in production by the time the 350 hits the street. After all, we already know the 16 SS will beat the 16 GT in every way. Pity Ford doesn't have a ring time

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

You can still buy a 15 Z/28 but can't yet get your hands on a 16 GT350. Were comparisons made between the 14 GT500 and 15 Hellcat? They were at least generationally the same.

I would like to see the 16 GT350 and 15 Z/28 compared but it does lose something since a new Camaro gen will be in production by the time the 350 hits the street. After all, we already know the 16 SS will beat the 16 GT in every way. Pity Ford doesn't have a ring time

As already noted, 2015 GT350's will be getting into enters hands in the August/September timeframe, so seeing a model-year to model-year comparison is very probable.

As for the GT vs SS discussion, yes, it looks like GM was able to engineer a Gen6 Camaro that can outperform a 6thGen Mustang. It's not like it's the first tine that has happened in the history of the rivalry, so maybe that's why nobody spends too much time dwelling on the subject.

Do we know Ford does not have a 'Ring time? They were testing the GT350 there well before the recent ban by that venue. But to your point, we're unlikely to see Ford ever release a time, even if they have it, as it is not their M.O. I'm sure we'll get times for the GT350 from the notable North American tracks though, so there will be plenty of data to discuss in the near future.

[SpeedIsLife]

What you are seeing is the preparatory moves for the results of the inevitable 350 R vs Z 28 test. Just in case the results go as Ford says they will what is happening is that since you can't argue the results of the test you have to invalidate the parameters of the test.
People were not screaming about how it was unfair that the z28 was tested against the boss 302, despite the fact that the boss 302 was out of production when the 2014 z28 became available. People justify it by saying that the boss 302 was the best handling Mustang produced by Ford so it was only natural to compare it to the best handling Camaro made by Chevrolet, right? Production dates and production status didn't matter in that case.

It's simply speaks of insecurity when people try to invalidate a test because they are afraid of the result, and despite all the successes that the Camaro has had in sales and performance it seems that the Camaro community is still incredibly insecure about everything.

I guess going out of production for 7 years due to being a failure it's just one of those wounds that you don't quite get over

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by ztwentypoop

As already noted, 2015 GT350's will be getting into enters hands in the August/September timeframe, so seeing a model-year to model-year comparison is very probable.

As for the GT vs SS discussion, yes, it looks like GM was able to engineer a Gen6 Camaro that can outperform a 6thGen Mustang. It's not like it's the first tine that has happened in the history of the rivalry, so maybe that's why nobody spends too much time dwelling on the subject.

Do we know Ford does not have a 'Ring time? They were testing the GT350 there well before the recent ban by that venue. But to your point, we're unlikely to see Ford ever release a time, even if they have it, as it is not their M.O. I'm sure we'll get times for the GT350 from the notable North American tracks though, so there will be plenty of data to discuss in the near future.

I forgot Ford was building a handful of 15 GT350's. Don't misunderstand, I like the comparison. It just loses something with all the excitement over the gen6 rollout.

Al O said in a Hotrod interview that all full out Ring runs are done between 5 and 5:30 pm and that they were there when Ford tested the GT350 so they know it never happened
The gen6 SS vs GT isn't worth "spends too much time dwelling" on? That's the future. The last Z/28 will have been built by the time a GT350 finds its way to a customer.

[HeavyIOM]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

What you are seeing is the preparatory moves for the results of the inevitable 350 R vs Z 28 test. Just in case the results go as Ford says they will what is happening is that since you can't argue the results of the test you have to invalidate the parameters of the test.
People were not screaming about how it was unfair that the z28 was tested against the boss 302, despite the fact that the boss 302 was out of production when the 2014 z28 became available. People justify it by saying that the boss 302 was the best handling Mustang produced by Ford so it was only natural to compare it to the best handling Camaro made by Chevrolet, right? Production dates and production status didn't matter in that case.

It's simply speaks of insecurity when people try to invalidate a test because they are afraid of the result, and despite all the successes that the Camaro has had in sales and performance it seems that the Camaro community is still incredibly insecure about everything.

I guess going out of production for 7 years due to being a failure it's just one of those wounds that you don't quite get over

Haha this to an extent! Reading through this thread I was thinking the same thing. Old vs new never seems to matter when the Camaro is the new guy, but if he's the old guy it always seems to matter lol.

[Jpnyhc1le]

I have no issues with the new mustang beating the old camaro ,but if the ford really is faster is that really an accomplishment? I would hope the ford would be faster, if not thats just embarrassing

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by Jpnyhc1le

I have no issues with the new mustang beating the old camaro ,but if the ford really is faster is that really an accomplishment? I would hope the ford would be faster, if not thats just embarrassing

Agree, which is why I cannot get on-board with all the crowing about how the 6thGen Camaro SS is a better performer than the 6thGen Mustang that has been out on the roads for almost a year now. I expect that the 2016 Camaro will be faster than the 2016 Mustang. If it wasn't, it would be an embarrassment for Chevy.

[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by Front Runner

Glad you think the GT350R is a million times better. So, go ahead to try to purchase one for the same price or less than a Z/28 and them move on to the Mustang forums.

You, sir, make automotive enthusiasts look bad. A little bit of objectivity will get you a long way in the world. Unless GM signs your paychecks, you should probably use your own brain to develop an opinion.

[Jpnyhc1le]

Originally Posted by ztwentypoop

Agree, which is why I cannot get on-board with all the crowing about how the 6thGen Camaro SS is a better performer than the 6thGen Mustang that has been out on the roads for almost a year now. I expect that the 2016 Camaro will be faster than the 2016 Mustang. If it wasn't, it would be an embarrassment for Chevy.

Agreed. we could go back and forth for days lol....wait that pretty much explains american musclecar history