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returnofcc · 11-08-2009, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoTToN

I didnt bash anything. You brought up a gtr vs gt2 comparison not me. Then i used times from the ring to compare the cars ( a practice started by porsche and bmw) . Then you go on to post a figure 8 time from mt, the same mag you said was not a valid source not even a few days earlier when i used mt to show you multiple american cars besting german cars after your " germans make the best cArs in the world " comment

My post: 10-18
Your post: 11-08

KoTToN · 11-09-2009, 02:07 AM

right cuz i revived this thread... oh wait.

dont worry though, ill make a note to myself that your brain cells have a statute of limitations for future threads.

Gunsmoke · 11-09-2009, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 02 WS6 TA

Not so much camaro guys fighting, as boys measuring Automotive Manhoods. LOL

i'll tell you what, i love the LS motors. i've been a ford guy all my life. had a bad ass cobra, harley truck, etc. my brother had an 02' z28. we battled constantly. anyways, i'm glad i got the bowtie cuz ford wasn't offering me what i wanted in my price range. i love this car, wasn't even planning on buying it. it totally reminds me of my bro's old ls1. great cars. just this one's evolved.

Allentown · 11-09-2009, 02:38 PM

If you are only talking performanc, it obviously takes a LOT better driver to make a manual perform....usually. However, don't forget there a lot of other advantages to a manual than sheer 0-60 performance. They are lighter, they usually hold up better, they come in handy in situations where you can get in a downshift BEFORE accelerating..such as high way passing, and they beat an automatic on curvy mountain roads for sheer fun factor and those break saving down shifts all day long...
Edit: i left out that manuals are often rated for higher gas mileadge as well.. plus it helps when someone wants to borrow your car that you really don't want in it and you say "can you drive a stick?" and then they go ask someone else. :P

WhiteCrane · 11-09-2009, 10:53 PM

I wish the current camaro was an LS1. They weren't slow, and probably lower the cost of the car a bit.

Maybe offer a 6.2 liter LS3 in the Z-28

StlRomAniaN · 11-10-2009, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteCrane

I wish the current camaro was an LS1. They weren't slow, and probably lower the cost of the car a bit.

Maybe offer a 6.2 liter LS3 in the Z-28

stop with the jokes! you're so funny.

S8ER01Z · 11-10-2009, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteCrane

I wish the current camaro was an LS1. They weren't slow, and probably lower the cost of the car a bit.

Maybe offer a 6.2 liter LS3 in the Z-28

Given the weight of the 5th gen it would be a turd with an LS1. Think about it... the LS3 is barely enough to power it to the 12s and you want to take away some of the power?

kidddogbites · 01-22-2011, 09:55 PM

Well shit i ran against my frien's black 6speed 2ss with my 01 6 speed ss with new tires(not slicks) but good ones and i ran 11.98@115mph and she ran 12.06@112mph on slicks.

(mine nore my friend's camaro has no preformance mods what so ever)

2001 Camaro ss ls1=412HP not 325 stock

2010 Camaro ss ls3=480HP not 426 stock

Proven by the dyno

Black GT · 01-23-2011, 12:50 AM

^^ put down the pipe.

There's NO way those cars ran those times without performance mods.
OR making the power your stating stock.

8cd03gro · 01-23-2011, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidddogbites

Well shit i ran against my frien's black 6speed 2ss with my 01 6 speed ss with new tires(not slicks) but good ones and i ran 11.98@115mph and she ran 12.06@112mph on slicks.

(mine nore my friend's camaro has no preformance mods what so ever)

2001 Camaro ss ls1=412HP not 325 stock

2010 Camaro ss ls3=480HP not 426 stock

Proven by the dyno

Which dyno is this?

GQ4Life · 01-23-2011, 03:24 AM

Yea they use to dyno 260 to 280
and the current Camaro SS dynos 370 give or take some
with 15% drivetrain loss that doesnt equal those numbers.

Now dont get me wrong the old LS1 Camaros were rockets but your not trapping 115mph stock. No one I know has done it. No magazine has done it. Best I have ever seen is 108mph with DA in their favor.
Car probably has a cam maybe ported heads and/or intake and you dont know it. Cam alone I think would get you to a trap of 115mph.

8cd03gro · 01-23-2011, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GQ4Life

Yea they use to dyno 260 to 280
and the current Camaro SS dynos 370 give or take some
with 15% drivetrain loss that doesnt equal those numbers.

Now dont get me wrong the old LS1 Camaros were rockets but your not trapping 115mph stock. No one I know has done it. No magazine has done it. Best I have ever seen is 108mph with DA in their favor.
Car probably has a cam maybe ported heads and/or intake and you dont know it. Cam alone I think would get you to a trap of 115mph.

That's because it is physically impossible for a stock ls1 camaro to trap 115 unless you drop hundreds of pounds in weight reduction or you're on a track with a 150mph tail wind. His claims are about as reliable as his dyno numbers.

SummitWhiteLS · 01-23-2011, 10:34 AM

Stock LS1's trapping 115mph?

Motorweek - "Camaro/Firebird Farewell"
13.5@108mph

Motorweek - "1997 Camaro SS 30th Anniversary"
13.2@109mph

Motorweek - "1997 (actually 1995) Camaro SS"
14.0@104mph
MW 1997 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS Road Test

Motorweek - "1998 Camaro SS vs Mustang Cobra Comparison"
13.8@106mph

Car and Driver - "Camaro (convertible) SS 35th Anniversary"
13.7@105mph

MotorTrend - "2002 Camaro SS vs 2001 Mustang SVT Cobra"
13.5@107mph
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ang_specs.html

Six different road tests.

Not one even broke 110mph ...

usa1camaro1969 · 01-23-2011, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SummitWhiteLS

Stock LS1's trapping 115mph?

Motorweek - "Camaro/Firebird Farewell"
13.5@108mph

Motorweek - "1997 Camaro SS 30th Anniversary"
13.2@109mph

Motorweek - "1997 (actually 1995) Camaro SS"
14.0@104mph
MW 1997 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS Road Test

Motorweek - "1998 Camaro SS vs Mustang Cobra Comparison"
13.8@106mph

Car and Driver - "Camaro (convertible) SS 35th Anniversary"
13.7@105mph

MotorTrend - "2002 Camaro SS vs 2001 Mustang SVT Cobra"
13.5@107mph
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ang_specs.html

Six different road tests.

Not one even broke 110mph ...

The 97's were not LS1 powered cars, they had the LT1 or LT4 in them. It amazes me the LT4 was able to run 13.2 compared to the 13.5 in the LS1.
Of course that was magazine tests. The 40K price tag for the LT4 was also pretty stout.

01-23-2011, 03:24 AM	#81
GQ4Life Drives: 2010 Camaro SS LS3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Fishkill, NY Posts: 5,197 View My Garage	Yea they use to dyno 260 to 280 and the current Camaro SS dynos 370 give or take some with 15% drivetrain loss that doesnt equal those numbers. Now dont get me wrong the old LS1 Camaros were rockets but your not trapping 115mph stock. No one I know has done it. No magazine has done it. Best I have ever seen is 108mph with DA in their favor. Car probably has a cam maybe ported heads and/or intake and you dont know it. Cam alone I think would get you to a trap of 115mph. __________________ 2015 Corvette Z06.. Lime Rock Park 1:01; Watkins Glen 2:14; Thompson Speedway 1:21

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11-09-2009, 02:38 PM	#74
Allentown Account Suspended Drives: 2005 Durango/2008 Versa/2011 5.0 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Atlanta Posts: 132	If you are only talking performanc, it obviously takes a LOT better driver to make a manual perform....usually. However, don't forget there a lot of other advantages to a manual than sheer 0-60 performance. They are lighter, they usually hold up better, they come in handy in situations where you can get in a downshift BEFORE accelerating..such as high way passing, and they beat an automatic on curvy mountain roads for sheer fun factor and those break saving down shifts all day long... Edit: i left out that manuals are often rated for higher gas mileadge as well.. plus it helps when someone wants to borrow your car that you really don't want in it and you say "can you drive a stick?" and then they go ask someone else. :P

11-09-2009, 10:53 PM	#75
WhiteCrane Drives: 2010 Mustang GT Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 395 View My Garage	I wish the current camaro was an LS1. They weren't slow, and probably lower the cost of the car a bit. Maybe offer a 6.2 liter LS3 in the Z-28

01-22-2011, 09:55 PM	#78
kidddogbites Drives: 2001 Camaro SS(not Z28) Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Watkins Glen NY Posts: 27 View My Garage	Well shit i ran against my frien's black 6speed 2ss with my 01 6 speed ss with new tires(not slicks) but good ones and i ran 11.98@115mph and she ran 12.06@112mph on slicks. (mine nore my friend's camaro has no preformance mods what so ever) 2001 Camaro ss ls1=412HP not 325 stock 2010 Camaro ss ls3=480HP not 426 stock Proven by the dyno

01-23-2011, 12:50 AM	#79
Black GT Banned Drives: 2006 Mustang GT Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 522	^^ put down the pipe. There's NO way those cars ran those times without performance mods. OR making the power your stating stock.