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2SSRS@Gen5diy · 10-28-2009, 04:25 PM

Looking forward to the info on the header test Chuck, Do you still travel all over the World doing tune's?

JANNETTYRACING · 10-28-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by themossman

I was a little intrigued by the choppy baseline as well...

There are those that like Vararam and those that don't.

Ted...in all honesty, between the 'ram air is a myth' post and your constant jumping all over ANY vararam beta posts...you're starting to become the antithesis of 2SSRS...at least that's my perception. These discussions continue to degrade. Perhaps for the sake of all we should have a thread 'restraining order' on you guys....

I am sorry if I came across like that, Not my intention, My intention is to educate and share my experience.

I think it has more to do with 2SSRS then Varraram.

If you will notice I have stopped responding to his posts due to a Severe communication gap.

I have Nothing against Varram or anyone else for that matter.

I am excited to test a Varraram Intake and see what it really does.

If it Only Makes 15 HP that is Awesome Nothing wrong with that, and I would gladly endorse it, it is a neat peice.

I will step down now.

Ted.

ShnOmac · 10-28-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

I will step down now.

Ted.

I see no reason for you to step down.... I have read through this thread a few times now and I do not see you trying to discredit or bash anyone. All I see are valid questions and concerns. As a consumer I appreciate that!

themossman · 10-28-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

I am sorry if I came across like that, Not my intention, My intention is to educate and share my experience.

I think it has more to do with 2SSRS then Varraram.

If you will notice I have stopped responding to his posts due to a Severe communication gap.

I have Nothing against Varram or anyone else for that matter.

I am excited to test a Varraram Intake and see what it really does.

If it Only Makes 15 HP that is Awesome Nothing wrong with that, and I would gladly endorse it, it is a neat peice.

I will step down now.

Ted.

...and just so you know...I appreciated your test immensely...it gave me the confirmation that I needed that I need to replace my LMR with something...you confirmed that it could be just about ANYTHING...lol A third grader with a pair of safety scissors could have made a better shield that the one they provide.

I would be interested in your opinion on 'venting' air into the cavity(regardless of manufacturer). It appears most of the products shield the area where the OEM box and a little vent to the front grill...thoughts?

towmoe · 10-28-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Davis

This is a tune-only unit.

We'll have to wait for a good dyno on the no-tune unit.

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Originally Posted by themossman

go back and look at my first post in this thread...

http://camaro5.com/forums/showpost.p...2&postcount=23

I got 6hp from just a tune on a completely stock car....

I think you guys are missing my question. I know this was a tune-only unit and that one of you gained 6hp from your tune. What I'm trying to find out is what is the average HP gain from only a tune. Is it on only 6hp? If not I'm curious what it would be the average HP gain would be from a tune to figure out what the actual HP gains are from the unit. Thanks.

SGOS252382 · 10-28-2009, 06:46 PM

From what I've been hearing from the G8 guys, the Vararam is good for
25 - 30 rwhp (with a tune). Without a tune you'll most likely be looking at 15 rwhp or so (give or take a few rwhp) which is good for an intake (but no where near the 40hp claims we've been hearing).

On thing that I did see were some issues with higher IAT and the need for a heat soak reduction kit?

Also, Victor Motorsports supposedly got similar dyno number from the New Era OTR and the Vararam OTR intake.

mike@newera · 10-28-2009, 06:50 PM

It is very easy to have different results in testing intakes, I dyno stock cars quite often and doing 3 pulls in one hour can see a 5-9 rwhp difference sometimes depending on variables. We all sent our intakes in for testing to Ted Jannety, some outperformed others. Ted was very neutral in this entire test and I spoke with him before which is why I decided to send our New Era OTR kit in for him to do a comparison with the others because all in all I felt that the way he was testing each kit was going to deliver very consistant results, from an honest test. Maybe Vararam should send their kit in, or Chuck Cow can let Ted borrow this kit to see roughly how it stacks up testing it the same way he tested all the other kits currently available except Vararam, just a thought.

BSR-1 · 10-28-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mike@newera

It is very easy to have different results in testing intakes, I dyno stock cars quite often and doing 3 pulls in one hour can see a 5-9 rwhp difference sometimes depending on variables. We all sent our intakes in for testing to Ted Jannety, some outperformed others. Ted was very neutral in this entire test and I spoke with him before which is why I decided to send our New Era OTR kit in for him to do a comparison with the others because all in all I felt that the way he was testing each kit was going to deliver very consistant results, from an honest test. Maybe Vararam should send their kit in, or Chuck Cow can let Ted borrow this kit to see roughly how it stacks up testing it the same way he tested all the other kits currently available except Vararam, just a thought.

It couldn't get any more fair than that!

mike@newera · 10-28-2009, 07:13 PM

I wouldn't mind sending him another one of our kits for the test just to make sure our kit is in line with where it was on the previous test for comparison purposes.

POWERFREAK · 10-28-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mike@newera

It is very easy to have different results in testing intakes, I dyno stock cars quite often and doing 3 pulls in one hour can see a 5-9 rwhp difference sometimes depending on variables. We all sent our intakes in for testing to Ted Jannety, some outperformed others. Ted was very neutral in this entire test and I spoke with him before which is why I decided to send our New Era OTR kit in for him to do a comparison with the others because all in all I felt that the way he was testing each kit was going to deliver very consistant results, from an honest test. Maybe Vararam should send their kit in, or Chuck Cow can let Ted borrow this kit to see roughly how it stacks up testing it the same way he tested all the other kits currently available except Vararam, just a thought.

That request would need to go through Vararam.

mike@newera · 10-28-2009, 07:28 PM

Of course, and understandably so. Shouldn't be a problem then being that if they let a stocking distributor for their product test it, then a neutral shop that tested all other intakes for this vehicle isn't going to do anything to hurt Vararam by doing a a real data test, if anything it should help them.

POWERFREAK · 10-28-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mike@newera

Of course, and understandably so. Shouldn't be a problem then being that if they let a stocking distributor for their product test it, then a neutral shop that tested all other intakes for this vehicle isn't going to do anything to hurt Vararam by doing a a real data test, if anything it should help them.

also...keep in mind that my intake is still a test unit and it requires a tune.

1camaro70 · 10-28-2009, 07:34 PM

For TED, dyno results on this site show 17 to 20 dyno runs all over the USA, The SICK L99 average is 305/305 the healthy L99 are 326/326 average, all together its 315/320.
The difference is 21 HP and 31 ft.lb. torque gain by being on high octane table, so with tune it averages 345 HP and 350 ft.lb. torque for the tuned L99's.
someone should also look at LS3 dyno's on the site, The L99's are not at 330/340 at least on the average dyno runs. Would love to hear the L99 results with tune version.

mike@newera · 10-28-2009, 07:50 PM

We saw bigger gains on the L99 with our intake than we saw on the LS3, with and without a tune.

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10-28-2009, 04:25 PM	#71
2SSRS@Gen5diy Drives: 2014 Z/28 #82+#192, 18ZLE 66Nova Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: By the lake in AZ Posts: 15,728 View My Garage	Looking forward to the info on the header test Chuck, Do you still travel all over the World doing tune's?

10-28-2009, 06:46 PM	#76
SGOS252382 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 6,294	From what I've been hearing from the G8 guys, the Vararam is good for 25 - 30 rwhp (with a tune). Without a tune you'll most likely be looking at 15 rwhp or so (give or take a few rwhp) which is good for an intake (but no where near the 40hp claims we've been hearing). On thing that I did see were some issues with higher IAT and the need for a heat soak reduction kit? Also, Victor Motorsports supposedly got similar dyno number from the New Era OTR and the Vararam OTR intake.

10-28-2009, 06:50 PM	#77
mike@newera Drives: 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 529	It is very easy to have different results in testing intakes, I dyno stock cars quite often and doing 3 pulls in one hour can see a 5-9 rwhp difference sometimes depending on variables. We all sent our intakes in for testing to Ted Jannety, some outperformed others. Ted was very neutral in this entire test and I spoke with him before which is why I decided to send our New Era OTR kit in for him to do a comparison with the others because all in all I felt that the way he was testing each kit was going to deliver very consistant results, from an honest test. Maybe Vararam should send their kit in, or Chuck Cow can let Ted borrow this kit to see roughly how it stacks up testing it the same way he tested all the other kits currently available except Vararam, just a thought.

10-28-2009, 07:13 PM	#79
mike@newera Drives: 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 529	I wouldn't mind sending him another one of our kits for the test just to make sure our kit is in line with where it was on the previous test for comparison purposes.

10-28-2009, 07:28 PM	#81
mike@newera Drives: 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 529	Of course, and understandably so. Shouldn't be a problem then being that if they let a stocking distributor for their product test it, then a neutral shop that tested all other intakes for this vehicle isn't going to do anything to hurt Vararam by doing a a real data test, if anything it should help them.

10-28-2009, 07:34 PM	#83
1camaro70 Drives: 2010 2SS RS L99 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: BUTLER, PA Posts: 531	For TED, dyno results on this site show 17 to 20 dyno runs all over the USA, The SICK L99 average is 305/305 the healthy L99 are 326/326 average, all together its 315/320. The difference is 21 HP and 31 ft.lb. torque gain by being on high octane table, so with tune it averages 345 HP and 350 ft.lb. torque for the tuned L99's. someone should also look at LS3 dyno's on the site, The L99's are not at 330/340 at least on the average dyno runs. Would love to hear the L99 results with tune version.

10-28-2009, 07:50 PM	#84
mike@newera Drives: 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 529	We saw bigger gains on the L99 with our intake than we saw on the LS3, with and without a tune.