2011 Camaro Z28 v6 turbo vs superchared v8

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by radz282003

EH? Yeah - I quoted that the OP stated LS vs SS, not 1SS vs 2SS. The idea that I was trying to get across has been what weight savings does a Leno's SS have over a regular LS3 SS given about the same power? I know I can find the weights of the stock cars, but that doesn't address the weight savings of Leno vs. OEM SS.

What am I missing?

Sorry, I was posting th inaccuracy of the spec sheet. There was no variation in the weights.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Sorry, I was posting th inaccuracy of the spec sheet. There was no variation in the weights.

AH! Good catch. I didn't notice it

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by radz282003

AH! Good catch. I didn't notice it

It's all good my Z brother!

[radz28]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

It's all good my Z brother!

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by chevy454

Just as an fyi, all of the '69 Yenko Camaros and 2 of the ZL1 Camaros got COPO 9737, which was the Z/28 wheels & suspension components...COPO 9737 also came on the '68 Yenko Camaros, as well as all '69 Yenko Chevelles and '70 Yenko Novas, and some COPO cars from other dealers were ordered with COPO 9737 as well.

So all of the first gen. Yenko Camaros and ZL1s with COPO 9737 had 15" wheels instead of 14"?? To the best of my knowledge (and I'm no expert on COPO, Yenko, etc.), all Camaros including the SS got 14"wheels, SS Camaros came with F70x14 tires on 7" wide rims, first gen. Z/28s came with E70x15 tires on 6" wide rims. I thought Yenko ran Pontiac Rally II wheels. FYI, both SS Camaros and Z/28s had the Chevy Rally wheels (silver slotted wheel with a chrome beauty ring on the outside and a chrome w/black trim center ring, the difference was the SS got 14" Rally wheels, the Z/28 got 15" Rally wheels.
I'd love to see some reference information to verify your suppositions, if I'm wrong I want to be able to document the differences for when it comes up in the future. And I'd like to see that for the suspension as well as the wheels.
Clyde

[wildpaws]

Doing a little research, I see the '69 Yenko is shown with 15x7 Chevy Rally wheels (probably due to Yenko ordering COPO 9561 when it became available from Jan. '69 on), not the Z/28 15x6. I'll have to look further on the suspension, the package (COPO 9737) you mentioned was mostly about the wheels, disc brakes, 13/16" front sway bar, HD posi 4.10 rear, 140MPH speedo. It also looks like Yenko did use the Pontiac Rallye II wheels in '67/'68 and perhaps early '69, in Jan. '69 Yenko started using COPO 9561 Camaros directly from Chevy that Yenko then added Yenko stripes, Yenko emblems, etc. Prior to COPO 9561 in Jan. 1969, Yenko ordered SS 396 Camaros and swapped out the engines at Yenko in 1967, 1968 Yenkos used a COPO 427 (different than the COPO 9561), that was also likely used in early '69 Yenkos.
Clyde

[chevy454]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

So all of the first gen. Yenko Camaros and ZL1s with COPO 9737 had 15" wheels instead of 14"?? To the best of my knowledge (and I'm no expert on COPO, Yenko, etc.), all Camaros including the SS got 14"wheels, SS Camaros came with F70x14 tires on 7" wide rims, first gen. Z/28s came with E70x15 tires on 6" wide rims. I thought Yenko ran Pontiac Rally II wheels. FYI, both SS Camaros and Z/28s had the Chevy Rally wheels (silver slotted wheel with a chrome beauty ring on the outside and a chrome w/black trim center ring, the difference was the SS got 14" Rally wheels, the Z/28 got 15" Rally wheels.
I'd love to see some reference information to verify your suppositions, if I'm wrong I want to be able to document the differences for when it comes up in the future. And I'd like to see that for the suspension as well as the wheels.
Clyde

The '67 & '68 Z's used the 15x6, but in '69 the Z's went to a 15x7...which meant the COPO 9737 cars of '69 got the 15x7 rallys...but the COPO 9737 package didn't include wheels in '68.

Originally Posted by wildpaws

Doing a little research, I see the '69 Yenko is shown with 15x7 Chevy Rally wheels (probably due to Yenko ordering COPO 9561 when it became available from Jan. '69 on), not the Z/28 15x6. I'll have to look further on the suspension, the package (COPO 9737) you mentioned was mostly about the wheels, disc brakes, 13/16" front sway bar, HD posi 4.10 rear, 140MPH speedo. It also looks like Yenko did use the Pontiac Rallye II wheels in '67/'68 and perhaps early '69, in Jan. '69 Yenko started using COPO 9561 Camaros directly from Chevy that Yenko then added Yenko stripes, Yenko emblems, etc. Prior to COPO 9561 in Jan. 1969, Yenko ordered SS 396 Camaros and swapped out the engines at Yenko in 1967, 1968 Yenkos used a COPO 427 (different than the COPO 9561), that was also likely used in early '69 Yenkos.
Clyde

Yenko didn't just *order* the 9561 package, he petitioned Chevrolet to build it, based on positive reaction he'd gotten to the 427 cars he had built in '67 & '68...the fact that other dealers became privvy to the 427 Camaros & Chevelles in '69 was a mistake, as Yenko had full intentions of being the only dealer to take advantage of the special 427 exception. Yenko also developed the COPO 9737 package, which debuted on the '68 Yenko Camaros...Chevrolet referenced COPO 9737 by calling it the "Sports Car Conversion - Yenko"...you have to remember, Yenko was a road racer, not a drag racers, so his vision was of a big block that handled like the Z/28. He didn't have to convert any cars in '69, as he had already talked Chevrolet into doing the heavy lifting for him by installing the 427s & handling/suspension package...and disc brakes were mandated in any big block Camaro in '69, so they weren't part of the COPO 9737 package.

[wildpaws]

Indeed the Z/28 did switch to 15x7 in '69. Brakes were mentioned in the COPO 9737 package as ordering that package required that you order front disc brakes just like ordering the Z/28 package required that you order four speed transmission and power disc brakes (front discs minimum), at least from what data I was able to look up last night. I do appreciate your knowledge on the Yenkos as that is an area I've never been totally up to snuff on, so you have expanded my knowledge and database. In 1968/69 I became totally focused on the Z/28 and ended up buying a new '69 Z/28 after selling my '67 RS Camaro. So, thank you!
Clyde

[radz28]

All this knowledge is super-cool.

Thanks everyone I learned a lot

[2cnd chance]

I have not voted.
I of course like most prefer the Super V8, but start adding it up and it will be $50,000+.
I will not spend that much for a Camaro or any car! The Z/28 should be within reach of most mid income level individuals, and $50K is not within reach. Todays cars are about 10X what they were in 69', that puts a Z/28 at $35K - $42K. I know this is not apples to apples, but it is a general idea of affordability.

In closing sure I'll take the Super V8 Z/28, just make it no more than $42,000.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I have not voted.
I of course like most prefer the Super V8, but start adding it up and it will be $50,000+.
I will not spend that much for a Camaro or any car! The Z/28 should be within reach of most mid income level individuals, and $50K is not within reach. Todays cars are about 10X what they were in 69', that puts a Z/28 at $35K - $42K. I know this is not apples to apples, but it is a general idea of affordability.

In closing sure I'll take the Super V8 Z/28, just make it no more than $42,000.

I seriously think that GM can make a really great Z28 for less than $50K. It already has a great powertrain and chassis. The major bits can be sources from CTS-V; intake, exhaust, and tuning are probably the biggest changes - fuel system too (dual-mode in the CTS-V). Throw in some slotted/dimpled/drilled rotors; Heck, maybe bump them up to 14.5-15.0" using the same great calipers. The shocks shouldn't be too big a deal considering they're, what, about a $2K option on the 'Vette. They've already been playing with body mods'; Mr. Welburn already said that about Mr. Leno's car. Considering starting with a 1SS, I think there's good argument for a base Z28 seeing mid-to-upper $40Ks. That's still a lot, but I'd do what I can to get one It's certainly not for everyone though. Considering what I paid for my '02, then how much I spent playing and tinkering with it, I might as well put that money up out front and keep a warranty, lol!

[DGthe3]

Well, the option I would like is not up there ... but of the two, I went with the supercharged V8

[ls7camaro]

the z28 needs to sound just as mean as it performs, a v6 is bad enough, but adding a turbo, i think makes it sound even more sissy

[American Muscle]

Originally Posted by ctk1

I feel that the twin turbo V6 with the weight savings and handling package of Jay Leno's car would be the perfect Z28. That is what the original Z28 was. It was a lightweight car built to handle like it was on rains, and it has a smaller displacement engine than the "Big Boys" but would rev high and nearly make "big boy" power. The Leno car would be true to the original Z28.
As far as the 550horsepower cobra killer, I feel that it should be called the ZL1. The original ZL1 was the ultimate Camaro with insane power, a relatively high price tag and low volume. Making these 2 cars would pay homage to the past, but thats just my 2 cents. What do you guys think?