I'm really disappointed from the camaro lap time in Nurburgring!!!

[2cnd chance]

can you say TROLL

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

can you say TROLL

Got'em in my scopes...lol..check my sig..lol

[GTAHVIT]

OK OK



is still the rule... Don't make it personal please.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

I'd like to see a cite for those stats (V8s - don't care what 6 weighs in this context).

I could tell you to take my word for it, or search for it yourself but ... well I like learning so I did my own research. You find more that way.

In the GM Performance Parts catalogue the LS3 is listed as being 415 lbs. http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/_r...ineQRC2008.pdf. The marine variant of the LSA weighs 467 lbs, but that isn't with full automotive dress. The extra pumps and accessories should put the weight right around 500 lbs. Here is where I got the 467 lbs from http://www.gm.com/experience/technol...LSA_Marine.pdf

The LS9 is claimed to weigh 530 lbs though I don't know if there has been a reduction in overall weight (from LSA) due to lighter materials to make it rev more freely or if it is heavier because of the increased strength required by the higher power levels. So lets say the LSA would max out at 550 lbs and could be as low as 500.

[DkknightX]

Just sounds like everybody is trying to expect way too much from this car. Even in Z28 form, you can't expect it to compete on the super car level. The car is enjoyable all around and looks better than anything else on the road, even the ZR1. The 5th Gen is fresh and neither over or understated. It is a quality car, built with pride and prejudice. It satisfies most peoples' check lists and I think the gearhead needs to remind themselves about who this car was engineered for. I say this respectfully and humbly...mainly, because I'm not a gearhead nor do I pretend to be. Appearance-wise it will take on just about everything.

- The 5th Gen is fresh and exciting. It was designed to be for posterity and pay tribute to it's heritage.

- It smacks Ford, Dodge and all Camaro competitors right in the grill by destroying even the GT500 in every regard but horsepower but I tell you friends, in workmanship and looks, your Camaro will win every time.

- This car was designed to be more than just a complete muscle car for us but also as an accessory on GM's comeback staging ground to get themselves out of a gigantic sinkhole they've been in for the last 40 years.

I truly believe, on all three accounts that GM has succeeded. You and I have helped GM succeed in this and look incredibly stylish doing it. I think some of you need to refocus your energy into coming back down to Earth and realize that the priority of the GM Performance Division was NOT this German track. It seems quite insignificant in the grand scheme of things and will have no affect on your decision to purchase/keep your current Camaro. If it does, you probably have entirely too much money than you should be allowed to spend on a vehicle. yourself and then GM!

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

Do you even believe the crap you are typing?

Do I believe the Camaro has a GOB of understeer when pushed, and that it IS detectable by drivers on the street? Absolutely.

Do YOU really believe that to be false?

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

can you say TROLL

Really? Troll? For saying I own a BMW and am considering a Camaro SS (my 3rd Camaro)? For saying I wish it handled better? Are you REALLY so completely unable to have an adult discussion?

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

Got'em in my scopes...lol..check my sig..lol

See above, Mrs. trollhunter

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

That guy has hyundai... That discredits everything he has to say.

Well, I'll agree it's cheap transportation, but I'm not sure why that makes you feel entitled to insult me or "discredit everything I say"? I'm just a guy with a life and a whole set of obligations and life choices that got me to where I am, and that's just one of them. As of right now, at just over 100k miles with no significant maintenance bills, it looks like that Hyundai was an excellent commuter car decision.

I originally bought it figuring I'd keep it 1-2 years then give it to my then-in-college daughter. But she got a car elsewhere and so I didn't get the excuse to give her that one and get a nice car for myself. As I said, it's worked out very well - inexpensive car that just keeps going.

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

Sorry just had to throw that out there

Why? Nothing useful or on point to add to the thread? Perhaps just shutting up and finding a thread where you can post something about that topic would be a better choice?

Originally Posted by DkknightX

Just sounds like everybody is trying to expect way too much from this car. Even in Z28 form, you can't expect it to compete on the super car level. The car is enjoyable all around and looks better than anything else on the road, even the ZR1. The 5th Gen is fresh and neither over or understated. It is a quality car, built with pride and prejudice. It satisfies most peoples' check lists and I think the gearhead needs to remind themselves about who this car was engineered for. I say this respectfully and humbly...mainly, because I'm not a gearhead nor do I pretend to be. Appearance-wise it will take on just about everything.

- The 5th Gen is fresh and exciting. It was designed to be for posterity and pay tribute to it's heritage.

- It smacks Ford, Dodge and all Camaro competitors right in the grill by destroying even the GT500 in every regard but horsepower but I tell you friends, in workmanship and looks, your Camaro will win every time.

- This car was designed to be more than just a complete muscle car for us but also as an accessory on GM's comeback staging ground to get themselves out of a gigantic sinkhole they've been in for the last 40 years.

I truly believe, on all three accounts that GM has succeeded. You and I have helped GM succeed in this and look incredibly stylish doing it. I think some of you need to refocus your energy into coming back down to Earth and realize that the priority of the GM Performance Division was NOT this German track. It seems quite insignificant in the grand scheme of things and will have no affect on your decision to purchase/keep your current Camaro. If it does, you probably have entirely too much money than you should be allowed to spend on a vehicle. yourself and then GM!

Great post.

Along with the Camaro looking good and being quite a solid performance bargain, I'd really like to help GM regain some strength and be a part of the American recovery.

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

See above, Mrs. trollhunter

Mrs?

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

Do I believe the Camaro has a GOB of understeer when pushed, and that it IS detectable by drivers on the street? Absolutely.

Do YOU really believe that to be false?



Really? Troll? For saying I own a BMW and am considering a Camaro SS (my 3rd Camaro)? For saying I wish it handled better? Are you REALLY so completely unable to have an adult discussion?



See above, Mrs. trollhunter



Well, I'll agree it's cheap transportation, but I'm not sure why that makes you feel entitled to insult me or "discredit everything I say"? I'm just a guy with a life and a whole set of obligations and life choices that got me to where I am, and that's just one of them. As of right now, at just over 100k miles with no significant maintenance bills, it looks like that Hyundai was an excellent commuter car decision.

I originally bought it figuring I'd keep it 1-2 years then give it to my then-in-college daughter. But she got a car elsewhere and so I didn't get the excuse to give her that one and get a nice car for myself. As I said, it's worked out very well - inexpensive car that just keeps going.



Why? Nothing useful or on point to add to the thread? Perhaps just shutting up and finding a thread where you can post something about that topic would be a better choice?



Great post.

Along with the Camaro looking good and being quite a solid performance bargain, I'd really like to help GM regain some strength and be a part of the American recovery.

Maybe you should let us moderate... I know we don't run this forum the way you'd like us to...

You may not be a troll. But from my perspective. It's hard to see you otherwise...

But, you haven't been warned or received an infraction for anything So, in reality you haven't given us a reason to officially address your posts here with any negative connotation...

Please don't give us reason to.

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

Maybe you should let us moderate... I know we don't run this forum the way you'd like us to...

You may not be a troll. But from my perspective. It's hard to see you otherwise...

But, you haven't been warned or received an infraction for anything So, in reality you haven't given us a reason to officially address your posts here with any negative connotation...

Please don't give us reason to.

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

Maybe you should let us moderate... I know we don't run this forum the way you'd like us to...

Will do.

You may not be a troll. But from my perspective. It's hard to see you otherwise...

What do you MEAN by this? When I see that word, I think of someone who is attending a forum despite their desire to see the purpose of the forum fail. For example, a Steelers fan attending a Ravens forum and talking down every aspect of the Ravens (used these teams because game is on now).

That is NOT me. I've owned two prior Camaros, along with numerous other Chevys. I am sincerely considering a 2SS 6M - it's at the top of my list. I am very concerned about US industry and very much hope for GM's resurgence as an international manufacturing powerhouse.

I AM concerned about the Camaro's handling, and I'd like to continue discussing it. As it turns out, my wife's BMW DOES affect my perceptions - that thing is a fantastic GT car - it's fairly fast and handles great, especially transitioning and on uneven pavement. LOL - so does my Hyundai's handling . . . yuk. It's a pig that pushes terribly, leans over at the slightest hint of a directional change and is generally best considered very basic, inexpensive transportation.

But, you haven't been warned or received an infraction for anything So, in reality you haven't given us a reason to officially address your posts here with any negative connotation...

Please don't give us reason to.

I don't plan to, or want to. I participate in a couple other boards regularly, and while occasional disagreements pop up like they do everywhere (after all, dicsussion is the point, right?), I've never had any problems with moderators sanctioning my account.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

Will do.




What do you MEAN by this? When I see that word, I think of someone who is attending a forum despite their desire to see the purpose of the forum fail. For example, a Steelers fan attending a Ravens forum and talking down every aspect of the Ravens (used these teams because game is on now).

That is NOT me. I've owned two prior Camaros, along with numerous other Chevys. I am sincerely considering a 2SS 6M - it's at the top of my list. I am very concerned about US industry and very much hope for GM's resurgence as an international manufacturing powerhouse.

I AM concerned about the Camaro's handling, and I'd like to continue discussing it. As it turns out, my wife's BMW DOES affect my perceptions - that thing is a fantastic GT car - it's fairly fast and handles great, especially transitioning and on uneven pavement. LOL - so does my Hyundai's handling . . . yuk. It's a pig that pushes terribly, leans over at the slightest hint of a directional change and is generally best considered very basic, inexpensive transportation.




I don't plan to, or want to. I participate in a couple other boards regularly, and while occasional disagreements pop up like they do everywhere (after all, dicsussion is the point, right?), I've never had any problems with moderators sanctioning my account.

Cool. Just know that we have a lot of members who come here to resurrect old thread just to start an argument and are unwilling to do their own research. So we tend to be a little suspicious...

I'm glad to hear that's not why you are here.

[Rogue Leader]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

Do I believe the Camaro has a GOB of understeer when pushed, and that it IS detectable by drivers on the street? Absolutely.

DO you KNOW it has a GOB of understeer? Have you driven it to the limit? No...

And not only that not to sound like a ninny but if you are driving it to the point that you can FEEL the understeer on the street you need to park it and take a bus because you're gonna kill someone.

Does it understeer a bit? Yes. Is it ever noticeable even when I am driving "spiritedly" on the street? Not at all.

[coolman]

I will have to say and said it before on here, I have an 87 gta trans am and It feels like it handles better than my SS. But, That could be due to the fact that it's lighter and a lot more under powered. This car just feels big to me ,but I love the damn think anyhow.

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

DO you KNOW it has a GOB of understeer? Have you driven it to the limit? No...

True, but how about next time you either ask and let ME answer, or just talk to yourself somewhere else. I don't need you answering for me.

And not only that not to sound like a ninny but if you are driving it to the point that you can FEEL the understeer on the street you need to park it and take a bus because you're gonna kill someone.

Do you really never push hard enough to get understeer on the street? Are you certain I'll only drive on the street? I'm surprised you didn't answer these for me also!

For me, an often-experienced example on the street is the local roundabouts. I like to look ahead, make sure no one is in it, then try to apex and zip through it. In the Bimmer, it's a hoot. In the Hyundai, it's a waste of time and pretty irritating.

Does it understeer a bit? Yes. Is it ever noticeable even when I am driving "spiritedly" on the street? Not at all.

Really, then how do you know it understeers?