Is the V6 Consisdered a muscle car?

[chuckstacamaro]

To put it straight the Camaro, (even old school Camaro's) were not considered Muscle Cars by definition. They were Pony cars.

Most American car manufactuers in the 60's and 70's had both Muscle Cars and Pony Cars. Chevy had its Camaro, Pontiac Firebird/Trans Am, Ford Mustang, Mercury Cougar, Plymouth Barracuda, Dodge Challenger, and AMC Javelin/AMX.

However, a true Muscle car was an intermediate sized two door automobile with a full size car motor (Big Block). The 1964 GTO was the first true muscle car (well debatable with the 1957 Chyrsler 300, First Hemi for you Mopar guys), as Pontiac took the 389 from the full sized Bonneville, with 3x2 Carbs, dual exhaust, 4 speed and installed it into the 64 Tempest/Lemans (intermediate car). Pontiac took everyone by surprise. Now it was catch up time for everyone else in late 64 and early 65.

Chevy in 1965 took the Corvette 396CID/375HP motor and put into the Chevelle and the Chevelle 396SS was born. Chevy (also in 1965), installed the Corvette 427/425HP in a select few Chevelle SS's that were coded the Z11.

Oldsmobile in late 1964/early 1965 took its 400 (Actually 394CID) from the Dynamic 88 full size car line and installed it into the F-85 Cutlass calling it the 442 (442 = 4bbl, 4spdl, dual exhaust).

Buick in 1965 took the 400 CID from the Buick Riviera and installed it in its Skylark (intermediate) and called it the Skylark GS (Grand Sport). Eventually GM upped the ante on all its model car lines with engines getting bigger and bigger and more powerful each year from 1965 through 1970 (396, 400, 425, 427,454 and 455CID engines depending on car manufactuer mnake and model).

The Plymouth, Dodge boys also had their versions of Muscle Cars (Charger, Fury, Super Bee, GTX, Road Runner and Belvedere with 383, 440 or 426 Hemi Power).

So did Ford/Mercury (Fairlanes, Cyclones, Torinos with 427/428/429 to eventually 460 CID Big blocks).

And even the now defunct American Motors Corporation (AMC) had their Rebel Machine and Rambler from 1967 through 1970 with 390 and 401 CID Motors installed in their intermediate cars.

The Full sized cars in the 1960's through 1970 with factory modified big blocks were known as Super Cars. Full sized cars were the Impalas, Belaires, Caprices, Rivieras, Electra 225, Polaras, Fury III's, Catalinas, Grand Prix's, Bonnevilles, Mauraders, LTD's, Galaxies, Delta 88's, and Toronados.

There were also mid-sized cars that were known neither by Pony Car or Muscle Car but they were quick and fast. Some of these were the 340/383 Dodge Dart/Demons and 340/383 Plymouth Swingers/Dusters, Chevy II's/Nova SS with 327/350 or 396 power, the Ford Falcons/Mercury Comets 289/302 and the AMC S/C Rambler 390.

The 60's and early 70's was the era for totally awesome American cars. I'm just glad to have been there when those classics were new, and was able to buy them as used cars when I got out of High school.

Now if you want to talk about the birth of the Modern Day Muscle car well that era would have begun in the mid 1980's, but that is another story for another time.

[EMB135Driver]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Pony Car is probably the proper term of reference for ALL Camaros/Mustangs/Challengers, like it was "in the day"....

FWIW.......I believe the term "Pony Car" is most commonly used to refer to the Mustang (named after either the P-51 Mustang fighter plane...which was named after the Horse, or just named after the Mustang Horse itself)

[RED10LS]

Originally Posted by CBR1000RR

V6 is not muscle.

Than I guess your Skyline GTR V6 isnt a Muscle car either!

[Unfair]

Originally Posted by philipdistefano

I fail to see how that matters. It's the amount of muscle, not the amount of cylinders. 312HP is muscle, even if it's not as much as 400/426HP.

Actually muscle cars back in the were popular for their V8 sounds, close your eyes, you will hear a muscle car coming when a V8 rolls through. muscle cars weren't soley based on HP.

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

so a 69 Camaro with a 200HP 307 V8 2 barrel carb single exhaust and a powerglide was a muscle car? I don't think so.

it sure was.

[zlwebb]

Originally Posted by Camaro Freak

Don't mention it dude. Just go enjoy your ride and to h--- with what anybody else says or thinks. You belong to a special club-- Your a Camaro owner!!

I sure will! Thanks! The club thing is awesome...havnt really looked at it like that..Well since 100 thousand were sold the first year..maybe that number has doubled by now but still...1 of 100 thousand people who own one out of 300 million in the country..pretty sweet

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by chuckstacamaro

To put it straight the Camaro, (even old school Camaro's) were not considered Muscle Cars by definition. They were Pony cars.

Most American car manufactuers in the 60's and 70's had both Muscle Cars and Pony Cars. Chevy had its Camaro, Pontiac Firebird/Trans Am, Ford Mustang, Mercury Cougar, Plymouth Barracuda, Dodge Challenger, and AMC Javelin/AMX.

However, a true Muscle car was an intermediate sized two door automobile with a full size car motor (Big Block). The 1964 GTO was the first true muscle car (well debatable with the 1957 Chyrsler 300, First Hemi for you Mopar guys), as Pontiac took the 389 from the full sized Bonneville, with 3x2 Carbs, dual exhaust, 4 speed and installed it into the 64 Tempest/Lemans (intermediate car). Pontiac took everyone by surprise. Now it was catch up time for everyone else in late 64 and early 65.

Chevy in 1965 took the Corvette 396CID/375HP motor and put into the Chevelle and the Chevelle 396SS was born. Chevy (also in 1965), installed the Corvette 427/425HP in a select few Chevelle SS's that were coded the Z11.

Oldsmobile in late 1964/early 1965 took its 400 (Actually 394CID) from the Dynamic 88 full size car line and installed it into the F-85 Cutlass calling it the 442 (442 = 4bbl, 4spdl, dual exhaust).

Buick in 1965 took the 400 CID from the Buick Riviera and installed it in its Skylark (intermediate) and called it the Skylark GS (Grand Sport). Eventually GM upped the ante on all its model car lines with engines getting bigger and bigger and more powerful each year from 1965 through 1970 (396, 400, 425, 427,454 and 455CID engines depending on car manufactuer mnake and model).

The Plymouth, Dodge boys also had their versions of Muscle Cars (Charger, Fury, Super Bee, GTX, Road Runner and Belvedere with 383, 440 or 426 Hemi Power).

So did Ford/Mercury (Fairlanes, Cyclones, Torinos with 427/428/429 to eventually 460 CID Big blocks).

And even the now defunct American Motors Corporation (AMC) had their Rebel Machine and Rambler from 1967 through 1970 with 390 and 401 CID Motors installed in their intermediate cars.

The Full sized cars in the 1960's through 1970 with factory modified big blocks were known as Super Cars. Full sized cars were the Impalas, Belaires, Caprices, Rivieras, Electra 225, Polaras, Fury III's, Catalinas, Grand Prix's, Bonnevilles, Mauraders, LTD's, Galaxies, Delta 88's, and Toronados.

There were also mid-sized cars that were known neither by Pony Car or Muscle Car but they were quick and fast. Some of these were the 340/383 Dodge Dart/Demons and 340/383 Plymouth Swingers/Dusters, Chevy II's/Nova SS with 327/350 or 396 power, the Ford Falcons/Mercury Comets 289/302 and the AMC S/C Rambler 390.

The 60's and early 70's was the era for totally awesome American cars. I'm just glad to have been there when those classics were new, and was able to buy them as used cars when I got out of High school.

Now if you want to talk about the birth of the Modern Day Muscle car well that era would have begun in the mid 1980's, but that is another story for another time.

WOOT !!!

Finally somebody that knows the TRUE meaning of a Muscle Car ...

If it ain't got a BIG Block, it ain't Muscle !!! And if it was built to compete with the Mustang it's a Pony Car ...

[Unfair]

Bla, who says, "here comes that thundering v6" if you can't hear/feel it coming, it's not a muscle car.

[RAdams]

Well, if this is all you have to worry about, I truly envy your life. No matter what, place more value on him than some dumb inanimate object.

However, may I make a suggestion? Just for him spouting off, acting like a bro-tard and flapping his lips, the next 5 times you visit him, touch your junk as you're walking up to his house and then shake his hand. I have brothers; you'll feel better.

["prima"Donna]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Here we go again... who cares what he thinks, just enjoy your car.

BTW what does HE drive?

["prima"Donna]

Originally Posted by PQ

If it's an Automatic then it's a muscle car. The manual is not.

[bumblebeecamaro]

sorry Camaro V6 owners but your cars aren't muscle cars. after all, to have a muscle car you actually need some muscle. sorry, just kidding.... lol

the only V6 muscle car was the '86 and '87 Buick Grand National. that was probably one of the baddest, American beasts known to man. I had two. one was a daily driver and one was a show-race car. these cars were truly unbelievable back in their day.

and then of course GM F-ed up and killed the line like they usually do with anything great they build.

[67 GTO]

Originally Posted by Unfair

Bla, who says, "here comes that thundering v6" if you can't hear/feel it coming, it's not a muscle car.

I give up, you win.

[Camaro Freak]

Originally Posted by bumblebeecamaro

sorry Camaro V6 owners but your cars aren't muscle cars. after all, to have a muscle car you actually need some muscle. sorry, just kidding.... lol

the only V6 muscle car was the '86 and '87 Buick Grand National. that was probably one of the baddest, American beasts known to man. I had two. one was a daily driver and one was a show-race car. these cars were truly unbelievable back in their day.

and then of course GM F-ed up and killed the line like they usually do with anything great they build.

[Trailnut]

You damn skippy the V6 is a Muscle Car!!! It just ain't no V8. Enough said!