Camaro V6 RS V.S. Challenger R/T

[1bad65]

MJF, I totally believe you saying the dyno results at the wheels are closer than the 50hp difference at the crank. Is it possible the SRTs lose more hp through the drivetrain than the R/Ts do?

[svrds10]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

I love driving standards though. I seriously considered a Challenger awhile back, and I did alot of research on them. Even knowing the autos were getting better times, and that I was going to race it, I would have gotten the 6-speed.

I have an Automatic Challenger R/T and a Manual Camaro SS.. I went with the Automatic R/T for that very reason. The Auto on the Challengers were pulling some great #'s.. I love my Challenger its a great car and still a beast.

[mjf6866]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

MJF, I totally believe you saying the dyno results at the wheels are closer than the 50hp difference at the crank. Is it possible the SRTs lose more hp through the drivetrain than the R/Ts do?

that i'm not sure on, but i wouldnt think so because they are using the same transmissions and rear ends. i wasnt buying into it at first until i saw more than just a couple dyno sheets confirming cars in stock trim.

[YLWJKT]

My observations in the last year of so of street racing and Friday night 1/8th mile and 1/4 mile grudge nights:
An R/T auto will give a good run to an L99, with the edge to the SS, but an LS3 will normally beat an R/T hands down unless the LS3 driver can't drive.
An LS3 vs an SRT8 auto is going to have his hands full and unless he's a really good driver the LS3 will probably lose, the sRT8 auto gets out the gate so much better than the LS3.
An LS3 vs an SRT8 manual is a drivers race with the edge going to the SS.

These are all stock for stock, start adding in mods, tires, different pressures, etc. and it's anyones guess.
The cars are pretty close to each other, with less than a second (probably less) separating the whole field. Be glad the HP wars are back.

The new Mustang is going to be the wild card in the bunch, with less displacement but higher rpms it should be a screamer, but it'll probably take a good driver to get it to go.
I'm looking forward to running up against one and seeing what it has.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by mjf6866

i've been down this road before on these forums and it never gets anywhere, so believe it or dont. the numbers dont lie. there have been multiple dyno runs posted all putting the R/T in the same range. how does that make it unlikely? this one particular time however had and a stock SRT 6-speed and an stock R/T 6-speed there at the same time and the results were posted. the numbers were 25-30 hp in favor of the SRT, not 50hp. just because its rare to have two trim levels in stock form run back to back, doesnt mean that its unlikely. especially when compared to other dyno sheets that were posted of each trim level individually at different times.

1bad65...i'll agree with you on that again...if i were only set on drag racing, i would have opted for the auto for sure. i however like driving back country roads where its really fun to bang though the gears!

For the R/T to be underrated, you would need a lot of dyno sheets showing just about the same ratings. Seeing two vehicles, out of thousands, be closer than the claimed norm and saying that the R/T is now officially underrated is a hasty generalization. I'm not calling you or right, but the odds are vastly not in your favor unless you can provide more dyno sheets outside of Chrysler's claim than ones that match Chrysler's claim.

[Maurdib]

Originally Posted by Wandering Scot

My observations in the last year of so of street racing and Friday night 1/8th mile and 1/4 mile grudge nights:
An R/T auto will give a good run to an L99, with the edge to the SS, but an LS3 will normally beat an R/T hands down unless the LS3 driver can't drive.
An LS3 vs an SRT8 auto is going to have his hands full and unless he's a really good driver the LS3 will probably lose, the sRT8 auto gets out the gate so much better than the LS3.
An LS3 vs an SRT8 manual is a drivers race with the edge going to the SS.

These are all stock for stock, start adding in mods, tires, different pressures, etc. and it's anyones guess.
The cars are pretty close to each other, with less than a second (probably less) separating the whole field. Be glad the HP wars are back.

The new Mustang is going to be the wild card in the bunch, with less displacement but higher rpms it should be a screamer, but it'll probably take a good driver to get it to go.
I'm looking forward to running up against one and seeing what it has.

This doesn't make sense to me as the SS Auto are showing the fastest most consistent times. I don't see either the R/T nor SRT getting anywhere close to them in any video to date.

[YLWJKT]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

MJF, I totally believe you saying the dyno results at the wheels are closer than the 50hp difference at the crank. Is it possible the SRTs lose more hp through the drivetrain than the R/Ts do?

Same trans so I doubt it. Also the SRT8 with the 6 speed comes with 3.92 gears, so it can better use it's higher rpm advantage.

Most R/T's are putting 330-335 rwhp, most SRT8's are putting down in the 365-370 rwhp range, do that's 35 to 40 rwhp more, which is more realistic.

[YLWJKT]

Originally Posted by Maurdib

This doesn't make sense to me as the SS Auto are showing the fastest most consistent times. I don't see either the R/T nor SRT getting anywhere close to them in any video to date.

I'm not basing it on some video some guy made claiming his car is stock.
I'm basing it on personal experience street racing and Friday night grudge racing and actually looking at the cars.
I've run more than a few Camaros with my friends auto SRT8 and have run my fair share of Challngers with my stock L99 Camaro.
I've also run my share of built cars with my 6 speed SRT8 S/C'd.
My best time to date on street tires is an 11.39, but that's a bit O/T as we're talking stock cars here.
As I stated, all of the cars are exceptionally close, and often it's a drivers race, I'm just conveying what I've actually seen.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Maurdib

This doesn't make sense to me as the SS Auto are showing the fastest most consistent times. I don't see either the R/T nor SRT getting anywhere close to them in any video to date.

I don't get where this is coming from, the 6 speed is definatly the quicker SS, as it should be with 26 extra HP....... Now, if the auto came with the LS3........

[YLWJKT]

Originally Posted by Stew

I don't get where this is coming from, the 6 speed is definatly the quicker SS, as it should be with 26 extra HP....... Now, if the auto came with the LS3........

Quikcker from a roll, absotlutely. From a dig you better be able to launch it well to get a 60' time better than a 1.8. Even so, the LS3 should reel in the L99 both being stock.
As far as the original post, an R/T will smoke a V6 Camaro, period.

[mjf6866]

Originally Posted by a_Username

For the R/T to be underrated, you would need a lot of dyno sheets showing just about the same ratings. Seeing two vehicles, out of thousands, be closer than the claimed norm and saying that the R/T is now officially underrated is a hasty generalization. I'm not calling you or right, but the odds are vastly not in your favor unless you can provide more dyno sheets outside of Chrysler's claim than ones that match Chrysler's claim.

well, that could take much more time than i'm willing to devote online looking for stock dyno pulls over the past year and a half to prove my point, so i guess i have to gracefully bow out. trust me on this though, it was a lot more than 2 sheets. like i said, i didnt believe it until i saw one after another all within the same range.

i can see how i look like the ultimate challenger fanboy, guys, i really do. its hard to trust the competition!

[YLWJKT]

Originally Posted by mjf6866

well, that could take much more time than i'm willing to devote online looking for stock dyno pulls over the past year and a half to prove my point, so i guess i have to gracefully bow out. trust me on this though, it was a lot more than 2 sheets. like i said, i didnt believe it until i saw one after another all within the same range.

What does yours dyno at?

[mjf6866]

Originally Posted by Wandering Scot

What does yours dyno at?

good question...mine is stock, but havent had it on one to try and do some myth busting.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by Wandering Scot

Same trans so I doubt it. Also the SRT8 with the 6 speed comes with 3.92 gears, so it can better use it's higher rpm advantage.

Most R/T's are putting 330-335 rwhp, most SRT8's are putting down in the 365-370 rwhp range, do that's 35 to 40 rwhp more, which is more realistic.

Thanks for the answer. I'm not too familiar with the SRTs, as I was considering the R/T.