Z-28 - I don't get it?

[Vega]

Well in response to the original post, here's the deal...
People are hyped about the Z/28 for a couple reasons, first of all its a legendary name for Camaro-kind and muscle-car kind in general, just the idea of being able to buy a brand new Z/28 again is an amazing thing in itself. Another reason people love this is cause you've gotta come to terms with reality, sure a few people aftermarket their car all to hell and back for power, and sure its easy to talk about doing it and whats better or worse online, but when it comes down to it the vast majority of people just buy a car with gobs of performance and are happy with the factory specs, now for people that are bored with the SS the Z/28 looks like an amazing way to step up their game. Also with a powerhouse legendary car like the Z/28 it means we're striking back against a world full of econo-cars and lame little V6s and conservative thinking.
And really one of the biggest reasons for the hype is from the fact that factory specs are a BIG DEAL with muscle cars, sure you can tune one to make amazing power and do all this and that but when it comes down to it the factory original ones are the ones that get rare and bring the money, people want to be transported back to 1969 and the care-free years for just a few minutes when they step in their car and now with the Z/28 its like peope get to live that all over again.

So people are excited about it cause its a legendary heritage being brought back in a big way and it will dominate most anything on the road right out of the factory. Now as far as the motor and everything, yeah i agree its kinda blah, im really not a big fan of forced induction and would have much preffered the LS7 or a factory version of the LSX454, but i guess you gotta make due with what you're given and if people want a less powerful, heavier, forced induction motor then i guess thats what they get. But the performance heritage and nastalgia alone are enough to get anyone excited over this baby's return ^_^

[Vega]

Originally Posted by Blueclyde

No sense putting mod money into an SS when the Z28 is coming. The Z28 will have the complete drivetrain to hold the power and will be a "factory" car with with a warranty. The Z28 will be a more prestigious car and a better value. I know the "mod crew" will not want to hear this but it is a fact. I would NEVER purchase a used SS that was modified with a supercharger by the previous owner. I would purchase a stock Z28. All GM needs to do is deliver the Z28 and my SS is up for sale...

Exactly! Cause you never know what the last guy might have done to the car, it could be a total shit-salad for all you know, but with a Z28 you know you have the know-how of professional factory workers in that drivetrain and you know nothing was "overlooked" or "misjudged"
Personally, warrenty doesnt matter at all to me, i think everyone should be able to work on their own car if anything happens to it and people really need to get off the warrently obsession bus already, but still, knowing the car is stock with all that and wasnt just done in someone's garage, gives a lot of peace of mind

OH and a lot of people over-look the fact that its not JUST a new motor you're getting, people who think "i'll just supercharge my SS and get the same thing" are dead wrong, it will have updated motor, transmission, clutch, suspension, tires, rim width, exhaust, gearing...everything about the car will be built to match the upgraded performance, the blower is just the tip of the ice berg and re-vamping an SS to match that level of performance would take a LOT more than the difference paid between $30k and $50k

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Vega

Exactly! Cause you never know what the last guy might have done to the car, it could be a total shit-salad for all you know, but with a Z28 you know you have the know-how of professional factory workers in that drivetrain and you know nothing was "overlooked" or "misjudged"
Personally, warrenty doesnt matter at all to me, i think everyone should be able to work on their own car if anything happens to it and people really need to get off the warrently obsession bus already, but still, knowing the car is stock with all that and wasnt just done in someone's garage, gives a lot of peace of mind

OH and a lot of people over-look the fact that its not JUST a new motor you're getting, people who think "i'll just supercharge my SS and get the same thing" are dead wrong, it will have updated motor, transmission, clutch, suspension, tires, rim width, exhaust, gearing...everything about the car will be built to match the upgraded performance, the blower is just the tip of the ice berg and re-vamping an SS to match that level of performance would take a LOT more than the difference paid between $30k and $50k

A lot better platform to begin mod'ing

[BlackenedSS]

Originally Posted by jayman

I'm just saying that people mod their cars..period. Everyone wants theirs to be just a little different then everyone else's. These are awesome cars and I will admit that I am jealous of you who already have one. That being said I am waiting for the 2013 model because my dad has a 68 convertible and I want mine to be an anniversary of his year. So if the z/28 is made then mine will be a 2013 z/28....otherwise it will be a 2SS.

Thats the reason my SS will remain stock!

[Prochargedchevyi]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

I would also point out that GM hasnt released any info at all.

The best post yet...

Some of you guys are getting all worked up over speculation. Be patient and wait for the actual specs to be released before you base your decision.

Recently GM has made good on several of their moniker revivals. Can anyone honestly say that the ZR1 didn't live up to the hype? Or the RPO Z06 package from the 63' isn't awesome? GM knows what their flagship cars are. From a marketing perspective, I think it would be silly to see them go through the expense of re-creating the Camaro line without making tiered versions. Do I expect to see a fully-warrantied 600hp Camaro in the near future. Maybe! Because if you look historically, the top-of-the-line corvette and camaro are almost parrellel in terms of HP(+ or - 50 horsepower), with the corvette always being a little lighter, a little faster, and little more expensive. So the real question is, is GM looking to multi-market their performance division? If so, will the Camaro be pitted against the Z06 or the ZR1? Hopefully it's the latter, because I'll be there with my checkbook.

[Supercamaro64]

the same thing could be said of the gt500 or the srt8, or any of the "top dog" line of muscle cars. now the camaro is getting its own. sure, with modding, an SS cud run the same as the Z28. but with modding, a Z06 vette cud be the same as a zr1. or the grandsport the same as a z06. but will the styling be the same? no. will the heritage and all that goes with it be the same? no. and i know that on a car forum, especially muscle cars, many ppl will mod their cars. but there are waaaaay more ppl out there who buy a car, and stick with stock, than those who mod it. on here, many of us know how to do it ourselves, or maybe know someone who is able to do it. but this is on a forum where, obviously, everyone likes the camaro enough, and cares enough to talk about it, discuss it, and hear news relating to it. but some old guy who always wanted a camaro, ever since they were little, and finally has enough money to get his car, probably wont mod it. they want all the power with none of the hassle. plenty of ppl get the car cuz it comes from the factory that fast, they dont want to worry about messing with it to make it better, its already better.
-just my 2 cents

[Epitaph]

Who cares about a Camaro? It's just another car that can take you from point A to point B. Why bother with a car when you can take a bike?

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by nards444

I agree with the OP you guys dont even know what its going to be. Part of the muscle car culture which you are all claiming is one of your top reasons behind getting the Z, is SOUPING up the car your self. Again I dont understand either what the big deal is. These people are the same people that have to have the IPAD ont he first day of release.

Not that i am one of them, but also don't see what's the problem wanting to be the first , this is still AMERICA MAN not some kind of far away land that only the top few top dogs can do this kind of dream come to reality !!!!

[x626xBlack]

Running car on Track voids warranty?
Racing car voids warranty?
Driving car hard voids warranty?

Someone please explain to how in the hell GM would know unless you did it in front of them? And even then if it is stock, I do not see anywhere where how you drive your car voids any warranty.....

I see a lot of speculation but no one can explain...

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Prochargedchevyi

The best post yet...

Some of you guys are getting all worked up over speculation. Be patient and wait for the actual specs to be released before you base your decision.

Recently GM has made good on several of their moniker revivals. Can anyone honestly say that the ZR1 didn't live up to the hype? Or the RPO Z06 package from the 63' isn't awesome? GM knows what their flagship cars are. From a marketing perspective, I think it would be silly to see them go through the expense of re-creating the Camaro line without making tiered versions. Do I expect to see a fully-warrantied 600hp Camaro in the near future. Maybe! Because if you look historically, the top-of-the-line corvette and camaro are almost parrellel in terms of HP(+ or - 50 horsepower), with the corvette always being a little lighter, a little faster, and little more expensive. So the real question is, is GM looking to multi-market their performance division? If so, will the Camaro be pitted against the Z06 or the ZR1? Hopefully it's the latter, because I'll be there with my checkbook.

I'm really interested in seeing how far GM can take Z28. Even if I don't end up being able to get one, I have almost as much eagerness to see what happens as I had when I was waiting for GM to announce CAMARO. Corvette is GM's flagship, but a lot of powertrain technology made it down to CAMARO, and I'm thinking it's about time some more chassis technology starts matriculating, too, like shocks. 600 horsepower sounds good

Originally Posted by Supercamaro64

the same thing could be said of the gt500 or the srt8, or any of the "top dog" line of muscle cars. now the camaro is getting its own. sure, with modding, an SS cud run the same as the Z28. but with modding, a Z06 vette cud be the same as a zr1. or the grandsport the same as a z06. but will the styling be the same? no. will the heritage and all that goes with it be the same? no. and i know that on a car forum, especially muscle cars, many ppl will mod their cars. but there are waaaaay more ppl out there who buy a car, and stick with stock, than those who mod it. on here, many of us know how to do it ourselves, or maybe know someone who is able to do it. but this is on a forum where, obviously, everyone likes the camaro enough, and cares enough to talk about it, discuss it, and hear news relating to it. but some old guy who always wanted a camaro, ever since they were little, and finally has enough money to get his car, probably wont mod it. they want all the power with none of the hassle. plenty of ppl get the car cuz it comes from the factory that fast, they dont want to worry about messing with it to make it better, its already better.
-just my 2 cents

I'm kinda' at that point. It's not that I don't want to mod' more, but it's more of where I live that's preventing me. I'm tired of fighting, so the more I can afford from the factory is going to be what interests me the most. I don't mind going aftermarket, but if GM can get me closer to what I want at a good value, I'll be tickled. If that's Z28 - it would even be better.

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Running car on Track voids warranty?
Racing car voids warranty?
Driving car hard voids warranty?

Someone please explain to how in the hell GM would know unless you did it in front of them? And even then if it is stock, I do not see anywhere where how you drive your car voids any warranty.....

I see a lot of speculation but no one can explain...

I'm not really a conspiracy person or think much about Big Brother, but I wonder what OnStar capabilities have that could relate to this. I remember hearing that, at least in Japan, Godzilla knows where it is, and it's speed is limited, electronically, unless it's on a racetrack. I haven't confirmed this, but I don't have a reason to doubt the source. Anyways - even letting go the point about the car's speed actually being limited, the matter that the car knows where it is makes me wonder... We already know OnStar is a theft-deterent, so why can't it know when we go "off road"?

[x626xBlack]

Is it just me or does clicking on Page 3 on this thread keep groundhog daying me back to page 2?

[x626xBlack]

Originally Posted by radz28

I'm not really a conspiracy person or think much about Big Brother, but I wonder what OnStar capabilities have that could relate to this. I remember hearing that, at least in Japan, Godzilla knows where it is, and it's speed is limited, electronically, unless it's on a racetrack. I haven't confirmed this, but I don't have a reason to doubt the source. Anyways - even letting go the point about the car's speed actually being limited, the matter that the car knows where it is makes me wonder... We already know OnStar is a theft-deterent, so why can't it know when we go "off road"?

Just for the sake of Discussion.... If OnStar could do all of that... Did all of that.... and GM referenced OnStar tracking for voiding Warranties due to racing at a strip.....

I am pretty confident we would know by now... They would have tipped their hand by using that the first time they voided a warranty for Racing on a track... Someone would have posted that little bit of info here. The car has been out for over a year and plenty of people have posted stock time slips...

There is no clause in the warranty covering where you are when you floor the peddle. Be it at a red light, race track, Dyno, or just hitting that passing gear.... Nothing covering how hard you accelerate...

[usmcjlp]

Jeez, people let it go already. I make one post and people are really worked up. Who cares what I think anyway?

I saw the most recent rendering on the homepage and wasn't impressed. I think it looks pretty bad. The hood in that depiction is no different than SLP or other aftermarket hoods. My car is going in for custom paint next week. I was going to buy an aftermarket hood but couldn't find one that flows with the lines of the car.

I do find it humorous, all these posts about the Z-28 holding value and the heritage. I think some people are buying into these cars, thinking they'll end up like the classic muscle car collectibles. It's not going to happen. Baby boomers made the classics what they are. Do you honestly think this generation will be nostalgic for their childhood with these cars?

What reality do you live in? What kid can afford a Z-28, GT-500, Viper, or Corvette. None unless their parents are buying it for them.

The majority of people I see driving these things are middle aged or older. Watch Mecum's Auto Auction sometime. This past weekend, from Monterey, they had multiple Z-28s and heritage editions from the 80s and 90s. Most were garage queens with less than 5000 miles. Do you know how much they got? Less than 10K.

Drive your car and enjoy it. But in a year or two nobody will care but us camaro fans.

[Supercamaro64]

Originally Posted by usmcjlp

Jeez, people let it go already. I make one post and people are really worked up. Who cares what I think anyway?

I saw the most recent rendering on the homepage and wasn't impressed. I think it looks pretty bad. The hood in that depiction is no different than SLP or other aftermarket hoods. My car is going in for custom paint next week. I was going to buy an aftermarket hood but couldn't find one that flows with the lines of the car.

I do find it humorous, all these posts about the Z-28 holding value and the heritage. I think some people are buying into these cars, thinking they'll end up like the classic muscle car collectibles. It's not going to happen. Baby boomers made the classics what they are. Do you honestly think this generation will be nostalgic for their childhood with these cars?

What reality do you live in? What kid can afford a Z-28, GT-500, Viper, or Corvette. None unless their parents are buying it for them.

The majority of people I see driving these things are middle aged or older. Watch Mecum's Auto Auction sometime. This past weekend, from Monterey, they had multiple Z-28s and heritage editions from the 80s and 90s. Most were garage queens with less than 5000 miles. Do you know how much they got? Less than 10K.

Drive your car and enjoy it. But in a year or two nobody will care but us camaro fans.

that "rendering" was just wat some ppl thought it might look like, not wat it actually will be, so dont worry about that. and i am 17 years old, and trust me, if in 20-30 years i can afford one of these, i will get it. and i kno plenty of ppl around my age who will do the same. these will be "classic" muscle cars someday. true, most ppl my age cant afford one rite now, but why do u think that makes us not like the cars? and im not all worked up, i just disagree with you.