First ZL1 1/4 Mile Numbers.... (best of 12.04)

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by lbls1

Agreed, but this is the part that's sticking a bit. The zl1 was proposed as a contender to the gt500. Its a (by credit) given that the zl1 has prowess in handling. How is it that when the gt500 ups the ante with more power, that it seems that some of us in the crowd of enthusiasts want to throw in the towel and accept that the zl1 may not be competitive to the gt500 in acceleration?? My point is that since the zl1 was supposed to be a challenger to the gt500, it really can't back out of the fight by saying that it was only meant for handling. If that were the case, then chevy would've spent their resources more effectively by engineering a less powerful camaro with handling attributes to compete with the new Boss. So in a sentence, that's what's bugging the heck out of me at the present time.....trying to figure out why chevy is still having an identity problem with the ZL1.

because people are giving them an identity problem. instead of accepting this as the car that was built. and ford had an answer. people can't accept that the 13 gt500 will probably no doubt be quicker, with a good driver. ford had knowledge that the LSA would be in the ZL1. and knew it would have at least the 550 hp. They also knew GM would up it a little bit. They planed ahead. I know some people believe it's only because of the boss. I have to laugh at that. But it's pretty sad people are already throwing in the towel. Seeing how there's not enough data to back that up. Some people are just defeatists.

[Unobtainium]

Originally Posted by lbls1

Agreed, but this is the part that's sticking a bit. The zl1 was proposed as a contender to the gt500. Its a (by credit) given that the zl1 has prowess in handling. How is it that when the gt500 ups the ante with more power, that it seems that some of us in the crowd of enthusiasts want to throw in the towel and accept that the zl1 may not be competitive to the gt500 in acceleration?? My point is that since the zl1 was supposed to be a challenger to the gt500, it really can't back out of the fight by saying that it was only meant for handling. If that were the case, then chevy would've spent their resources more effectively by engineering a less powerful camaro with handling attributes to compete with the new Boss. So in a sentence, that's what's bugging the heck out of me at the present time.....trying to figure out why chevy is still having an identity problem with the ZL1.

I'm not sure less power should be considered needed for good track times. Less weight is a better start.
The AWD GTR weighs less. It's so wrong that they couldn't shave some weight to offset the s/c and rearend, etc. They left the door wide open with a heavy car.
Then Al says it won't matter, ZL1 will conquer.

[lbls1]

^I am hoping that you are right, but less power and greater weight vs. a rival are hard factors to work with.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by SIRLOIN

Seriously? Gimmie a freakin break dude! NOWHERE in this thread is anything worth closing it over. Just cause there is some negative feedback to the ZL1 you wanna just close the thread?

Not every thread and every post is gonna be, WOW THE ZL1 IS THE BADDEST CAR EVER ZOMG!!!!!!!!!

Crying to the mod's to close this thread for nothing other than some negative feed back to the ZL1 is just, well,...

I said before, this thread had been pretty level and more and more people are becoming accepting that the ZL1 may not be 100% the awesome car that the Camaro team hyped it up to be. I guess some people just can't accept it and unwilling to open their eyes.

[Unobtainium]

That's what I mean. By making it heavy and only a slight power bump over the competition, they are up the creek. I mean why not a de-tuned LS-9, say 615hp.
Way slower than the ZR1 due to weight etc, but closer to what Ford was planning likely. Then, when Ford announced the pricing, GM looks a little silly.
Then this 1LE thing...the boss is out, how hard is it to gauge what is needed?

[SabotAndHeat]

@ LBLS1

I'm thinking that the issue isnt people giving up on the ZL1 at all. It's trying to come to a conclussion of what year cars are an equal fight to what year... when that's not the issue either.

Since Ford and Chevrolet are obviously not going to release cars in unison, they will always be out of sync. The next logical step is run the best of what's been released. Let next years battles happen next year.

The Road and Track video entitled "GT500 Mustang crushes the SS Camaro" races two brand of cars that are at that moment in time....the top of the class. However, the race itself was completely unfair and they admit it. But, Camaro owners can't argue, because that's what we might see on the street.

The ZL1 is on the street now and will probably stay on top until that new 660hp Mustang comes out.

That cycle will continue (thankfully) and keep driving both manufactures to pursue excellence. No issues in my mind.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

all I really here is you crying... most of it unjustified.

That is all you will hear from him... It's standard operating procedure...

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by Quick

If you throw enough money at it, you can make a brick run in the 10's too.
but then its nolonger a brick.

I want to see a fast time using ONLY what it come with from the Factory.

Originally Posted by Unobtainium

Stock numbers are great and all, but who stays stock?
I'm not sure about race gas times, but I guess that's what you get with hyper pistons and all the fear surrounding them. I wouldn't mind some 93 slips, but it only really applies to "closed road" antics. If I was going to the strip, why not throw in some MS109 and let her hang?
I assume the bigger blowers are waiting on lower manifold redesign and production?

Because we are talking about bragging rights. For this you have to race the cars the way GM built them. Modded cars vs modded cars is just a battle to see who spent more. Stock vs stock is what tels you what car is better from the word GO!

Originally Posted by jleews6

Give it some time and you will see the true numbers of what the car is capable of running. Like I have said a hundred times before,When the 03 Cobra first came out I watched a bunch of them at the track run low to mid 13s and some people were let down. Then my first pass in my 500 mile car was a 12.6@113. It takes allot of different things to get a car to run good numbers.
I still say stockers will run well into the 11s and bolt on cars will be in the tens.

Tens with bolt ons? What are you smoking?

[Unobtainium]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

Because we are talking about bragging rights. For this you have to race the cars the way GM built them. Modded cars vs modded cars is just a battle to see who spent more. Stock vs stock is what tels you what car is better from the word GO!
?

Ok. Fair enough, but if it's the 13 Shelby, the writing is on the wall.
I'm not sure if there are bad enough drivers out there to beat the odds.
Evan will rip off mid-low 11's in it, the mags likely 11.7 ish.
I pretty sure it only gets worse with sticky tires, as the Ford can get more sidewall to help. I can't wait though. Even a current to current test would be fun.
Then the ZL1 has a chance to match the acceleration times.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by SabotAndHeat

@ Fenderaddict

My comfort has nothing to do with it.

I'm pretty sure I made that comparison based on the Youtube video I mentioned and Road and Tracks (?) statement about running like year cars together regardless of how unfair the match up was.

Please keep up with the facts before posting. Unless of course facts are a mute [sic] point for you.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by adamgl

Way off topic, lol. But.

I'm the opposite. I like the concept and hate the current mustang looks. LOL

Over designed and bloated looking IMHO. I was hoping for something more elegant, light on its feet and purposeful in the design of the next Mustang. Ah well. Not a fan of the current cars rear. I do like the side detail on a Mustang better than the Camaro. I'd say front detail is a toss up and down to personal taste, but the Camaro has it all over us in having the better looking rear end.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

I said before, this thread had been pretty level and more and more people are becoming accepting that the ZL1 may not be 100% the awesome car that the Camaro team hyped it up to be. I guess some people just can't accept it and unwilling to open their eyes.

No car lives up to the initial press hype. I love my Boss, I really do. But is it everything I expected? No. But in other ways it is more. I'm happy, just as I suspect many ZL1 owners will be. Then there's those who are never happy, always chasing something better... Few things in life will satisfy them for long.

[alex70olds]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

I said before, this thread had been pretty level and more and more people are becoming accepting that the ZL1 may not be 100% the awesome car that the Camaro team hyped it up to be. I guess some people just can't accept it and unwilling to open their eyes.

I can disagree, at least for myself. I made this post 11-16-2010 when the announcement was made in California reguarding the '13 GT500.

Originally Posted by alex70olds

I personally do not understand the big deal. I decided to buy the ZL1 when it came out feb 9. I decided to buy it based on the specs in the ZL1 Salesperson Reference Guide, realesed the same day. Hell it has even been bumped up from the 550 HP and Torque that was released in that guide. I did not base my decision on what the stang was doing, or any other car for that matter. The ZL1 is a masterpiece of engineering technology, and I can wait for mine to be delivered.

After taking delivery of the car, I even feel more satisfaction in my choice. It is a great achievement, and I am very lucky to have one. I still like the gt500, and the Challenger, but I am very happy with the Z, and would not trade it for any of the above.

[jleews6]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

Because we are talking about bragging rights. For this you have to race the cars the way GM built them. Modded cars vs modded cars is just a battle to see who spent more. Stock vs stock is what tels you what car is better from the word GO!

Tens with bolt ons? What are you smoking?

Not smoking anything but have been around this stuff and drag racing for 30 years. It will happen. Lingenfelter had enough MPH to run well into the tens.