2014 Camaro Z/28 pricing announced at $75,000

[LOWDOWN]

A page, topped by two posters rapidly becoming known as Peat and Repeat.

Your contributions are, of course, warmly welcomed...monotonous and repetitive and lacking in veracity with twisted data, often, but warmly welcomed just the same...

You don't mind if we try to correct the errors of your ways, if not your postings, do you? Also a forum privilege...

Kumbaya, my Lord, Kumbaya...

Feel free to sing along...

Or, if you prefer, Mustang Sally!

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

If I wanted to acquire a track ONLY car (not legal for street) . . .

Yeah, buying somebody else's race car is probably the fastest and cheapest way to go about it if one never needs to use it on the street or maintain registration/insurance/inspection on it.

However, in the total sense that also means buying, registering, insuring, and keeping inspected a truck and a trailer. That's a non-starter on several levels at least for me individually, so I keep coming back to a lightly to moderately-modified dual-purpose car of some sort being the result of the first decision.


Norm

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

You sure spend a lot of time talking about a car you can't afford and are not interested in. What type of nonsense is that? In fact, your obsession with twisting facts and stirring dissension mirrors that of someone who was banned here a while back.

Hmmmmm

My spidey-sense is tingling also. Saying the same things over and over and over...

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Yeah, buying somebody else's race car is probably the fastest and cheapest way to go about it if one never needs to use it on the street or maintain registration/insurance/inspection on it.

However, in the total sense that also means buying, registering, insuring, and keeping inspected a truck and a trailer. That's a non-starter on several levels at least for me individually, so I keep coming back to a lightly to moderately-modified dual-purpose car of some sort being the result of the first decision.


Norm

Ditto here, albeit it is tempting and makes traveling to distant venues a vastly easier (and safer) experience. Will see how it all shakes down this year re choices and then decide. NB I've enjoyed your posts - thanks.

[90503]

I've been scratching my head wondering why this thread has gone sideways....Seems only a few are happy with not just the price, but the car itself....I think too many feel a sense of importance or entitlement as to why GM built and priced the Z/28 the way they did....and are butt-hurt that it wasn't done how some saw fit, and now are bitter and feel slighted...

I hope GM doesn't go overboard again listening to the so-called "faithful" who have a vested ego of importance and time spent trying to influence the build and price of a car they are now unhappy about....

At least I know my place....I'm a nobody that no-one listens to, nor do I care to make myself seem "influential"....

We now know the price.....I think this thread should be closed.....And guess what, we're all in the same boat, either we will buy one or we won't.....Not a newsworthy event either way...

The Z/28 is an awesome car no matter the price.....maybe one day, you never know...

[tramtwo]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

First of all, and this is a KEY point, "they" did NOT say "BOSS LS"...Dave said "BOSS". And where's the data to back the rhetoric, which this not-ready-for-prime-time launch has been full of...? They also said 200-300 lbs, but fail to release a HINT of Curb Weight specs on ANY version to ANYONE. Why?

KEY point is, every time a Ford fan, and employee, talks PRICE it's the BOSS, and when they talk performance metrics vs. "competition" (but NOT against themselves!) it's the BOSS LS. Why?

Because THAT answers the same question you keep repeating in thinly disguised format, time-after-time.

Ford built TWO BOSSES...one for VOLUME, and therefore the price leader, named BOSS (NO GM engine suffix!) and the other named BOSS LS which, built in numbers pretty equal to what we'll actually see for the Z/28, is the ONLY one that Ford authorized for track-testing. And it was "handled by the le$$-than-BOSS (NO suffix) 1LE.

Without the Hertz Rental-version BOSS (NO suffix) to counter development costs of the 444 hp BOSS engine, what might the ACTUAL selling price of those roughly-1500-only BOSS LS (WITH suffix) be? $55,000? $60,000?

Go ask Dave...and quote him CORRECTLY...

BTW, I find it charming that FORD would sell a halo Mustang with a GM ENGINE FAMILY designation on it...kinda like a Camaro with a "Coyote" badge...NOT!

And this my friends is why I love this site (no suffix).

EDIT: 6000 post!! Some of them actually say something!

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by tramtwo

And this my friends is why I love this site (no suffix).

EDIT: 6000 post!! Some of them actually say something!

Congrats!

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

First of all, and this is a KEY point, "they" did NOT say "BOSS LS"...Dave said "BOSS". And where's the data to back the rhetoric, which this not-ready-for-prime-time launch has been full of...? They also said 200-300 lbs, but fail to release a HINT of Curb Weight specs on ANY version to ANYONE. Why?

KEY point is, every time a Ford fan, and employee, talks PRICE it's the BOSS, and when they talk performance metrics vs. "competition" (but NOT against themselves!) it's the BOSS LS. Why?

Because THAT answers the same question you keep repeating in thinly disguised format, time-after-time.

Ford built TWO BOSSES...one for VOLUME, and therefore the price leader, named BOSS (NO GM engine suffix!) and the other named BOSS LS which, built in numbers pretty equal to what we'll actually see for the Z/28, is the ONLY one that Ford authorized for track-testing. And it was "handled by the le$$-than-BOSS (NO suffix) 1LE.

Without the Hertz Rental-version BOSS (NO suffix) to counter development costs of the 444 hp BOSS engine, what might the ACTUAL selling price of those roughly-1500-only BOSS LS (WITH suffix) be? $55,000? $60,000?

Go ask Dave...and quote him CORRECTLY...

BTW, I find it charming that FORD would sell a halo Mustang with a GM ENGINE FAMILY designation on it...kinda like a Camaro with a "Coyote" badge...NOT!

Sorry but I have to correct you, as "they" did say Boss 302 LAGUNA SECA. Please see below:

"Now, we have one more for all of you: The V-8-powered 2015 Mustang GT with the Track Pack will be even quicker and better-performing than the vaunted Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition. According to Ford Mustang communications representative Brian Cotter, the new muscle car is being aimed at exceeding the lofty benchmarks set by the stripped-out, pared-down Boss 302 Laguna Seca, a model that doesn't even come with a back seat. Although Cotter wasn't at liberty to give us specific times and figures, he said that the car would sweep the Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca bends at a time that would come under its predecessor's blistering 1:39.5 pace."

Also note, the Boss Laguna Seca engine was a direct port from the Ford's race car program. The same engine as that powering Conti Challenge Mustangs. So not unlike GM taking the existing z06 engine and plunking it down into z28, Ford did the same with theirs.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by tramtwo

EDIT: 6000 post!! Some of them actually say something!

Y'all gonna save a screen shot of it for posterity?

[2cnd chance]

It's getting awfully "Stangy" in here.

[OldScoolCamaro]

...oh I'm happy with the car, not so the price, and it's priced accordingly I know yadda yadda. It sucks to sit on the economic sidelines however. LOL. It's brass ring to grab if you have the capital wherewithal.

[72MachOne99GT]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

It's getting awfully "Stangy" in here.

Taste me!

[90503]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

...oh I'm happy with the car, not so the price, and it's priced accordingly I know yadda yadda. It sucks to sit on the economic sidelines however. LOL. It's brass ring to grab if you have the capital wherewithal.

I'm still betting you can pull it off....lol....give it time...a few more months and 75K won't look that bad....I'm not in "yet", but definitely haven't thrown in the towel completely....

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Sorry but I have to correct you, as "they" did say Boss 302 LAGUNA SECA. Please see below:

"Now, we have one more for all of you: The V-8-powered 2015 Mustang GT with the Track Pack will be even quicker and better-performing than the vaunted Mustang Boss 302 LS edition. According to Ford Mustang communications representative Brian Cotter, the new muscle car is being aimed at exceeding the lofty benchmarks set by the stripped-out, pared-down Boss 302 LS, a model that doesn't even come with a back seat. Although Cotter wasn't at liberty to give us specific times and figures, he said that the car would sweep the Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca bends at a time that would come under its predecessor's blistering 1:39.5 pace."

Also note, the Boss LS engine was a direct port from the Ford's race car program. The same engine as that powering Conti Challenge Mustangs. So not unlike GM taking the Camaro-specific z06 engine and plunking it down into Z/28, Ford did the same with theirs.

Note corrections.

RE: which BOSS? Listen closely, or turn up the volume, @ 1:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ybUOyjGIUqQ

I suspect Dave Pericak knows the difference.

I'm not sure Cotter does...as further in your quoted article, Cotter shares THIS tidbit: "Cotter said he couldn't confirm what would come in the Track Pack for the 2015 Ford Mustang as of yet because it hadn't been finalized". Spoken like a true Communications flak. But it'll outrun the [non-GM-engined] LS...trust me.

And which one is the Chief Engineer? Dave Pericak.