2014 Camaro Z/28 pricing announced at $75,000 - Page 69 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

TrackClub · 01-10-2014, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Forgive me for butting in, but I think this is the issue. The car, the way it is equipped, the costs that were put into it, and the performance it provides *regardless of value vs foreign competition* absolutely demanded the car to be upmarket.

I could run around all day asking why the ZL1 costs as much as it does. I mean, really, it's only 160 more horsepower and a suspension change from being a SS...so why is it so 'up market and out of the price range of so many?"

I honestly believe that if either Ford OR GM could produce a car like this (the Z/28 in discussion) for 50,000 dollars and turn a profit on it, they would, but clearly as many have tried illustrating, they can't.

I actually believe that GM has *totally* succeeded in producing such a car: C7 Z51 for $56Gs retail. But it doesn't have a rear seat, so I must admit, it is not an apples to apples comparo.

2cnd chance · 01-10-2014, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Taste me!

It wasn't you. You're pretty easy going.

snackbar64 · 01-10-2014, 03:47 PM

First of all congrats to Chevy for building this car. Secondly, the same thing they are saying about this car is the same thing is they said about the ZL1 and ZR1 prior to that. "You won't be able to find one," "every one of them will be spoken for,"... yet and still ZR1s and ZL1s could be found two to three per lot at a time with puppy dog headlights begging to be taken home. This Z28 as grand as it may be doesn't not have a magic wand to ward off many of the factors that prevent low volume/high priced cars from selling out every year. If you want one bad enough they will be there to be had.

75 grand doesn't just fall out the sky, or grow on trees. For all it's wonderous abilities, it's an impractical vehicle. It's still a tough sell sitting next to an already expensive and more practical ZL1 with all the creature comforts standard that give you at least a shot at selling the whole idea to your wife.

Fabulous car, and I could possibly buy one. But I'd just buy a ZO6 first to add to the collection. If the Stingray is this fabulous at 455 hp, what would a ZO6 do to competition? I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking that.

crysalis_01 · 01-10-2014, 04:30 PM

Can't we all just admit this is going to be a fun car for whoever has the cash to buy one. The mass of those complaining about it never planned to buy one anyway. Honestly, I (as a "Ford guy") even think this car is a great idea as it may lead to the reinitialization of the Cobra R program. I couldn't say that those who will purchase this car aren't crazy for doing so, but they're my kind of crazy, seeing as I'd still pay $50k for a '00 R.

Let's all hope to see these Z/28's in action, and maybe for some of us, let's enjoy the driver they provide.

2cnd chance · 01-10-2014, 04:41 PM

FYI, regarding the Z06 I'm on board with Number 3 it's going upmarket. They're evan mentioning the word "Supercar". So figure six figures.

Norm Peterson · 01-10-2014, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Honestly, I (as a "Ford guy") even think this car is a great idea . . .

You only have to be a "car guy/girl" first.

Norm

2cnd chance · 01-10-2014, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

You only have to be a "car guy/girl" first.

Norm

crysalis_01 · 01-10-2014, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

You only have to be a "car guy/girl" first.

Norm

True enough. But I've never really owned a GM (save for my 1st car, an '84 olds Omega SX) car so I don't want to be a liar. Though I've always had a soft spot for the 4th gen WS.6's.

Bhobbs · 01-10-2014, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

FYI, regarding the Z06 I'm on board with Number 3 it's going upmarket. They're evan mentioning the word "Supercar". So figure six figures.

I agree. When you label it a supercar and drop 620+ hp into it, $100k+ should be expected.

The thing I don't understand is what are they going to do with the huge price and power gap between a Z51 and the Z06? Seems like the hole the Z06 filled in the previous generation. Now it moves to ZR1 levels with a probable ZR1 moving even higher in the power and price range. Makes no sense to me at all.

Number 3 · 01-10-2014, 07:31 PM

FYI, Fast and Loud, Counting Cars, Velocity TV, is not product development.

Even "How it's Made" and "Modern factories" do not even come close to showing the effort required.

Me thinks we see an engine swap on TV and think that's all it takes.

Very close to a product development 101.

That is all.

jim911 · 01-10-2014, 07:33 PM

Any info concerning harness bars or roll bar for new Z28. Those slotted seats are not much good without a bar and harnesses to secure your Hans device.

TrackClub · 01-11-2014, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I agree. When you label it a supercar and drop 620+ hp into it, $100k+ should be expected.

The thing I don't understand is what are they going to do with the huge price and power gap between a Z51 and the Z06? Seems like the hole the Z06 filled in the previous generation. Now it moves to ZR1 levels with a probable ZR1 moving even higher in the power and price range. Makes no sense to me at all.

I am guessing 85-89 starting price. Too many z06 owners out there that would be left out in the cold otherwise. BTW where I live in winters it is raining ZR1s. Latest offer from a local dealer: 2011 with 800 miles for low 80s. MSRP in 140s. Seems like a very weak market for supercars at the moment with great buys around.

TrackClub · 01-11-2014, 10:53 AM

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FYI getting "big HP numbers" from a naturally aspirated engine tha MEETS Federal emissions standards and actually MEETS all of an OEMs reliability and durability and quality targets and MEETS cost targets is pretty is not an easy task. In fact I'm pretty sure the best you'll find is the 5.0 Coyote and the LS7.

What you can do in your garage doesn't meet most if those requirments

Would you include LT1 in this ("best") category as well?
Seems like an incredibly capable engine from what I've read thus far, with torque being very close to LS7's. Thanks.

Norm Peterson · 01-11-2014, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

FYI, Fast and Loud, Counting Cars, Velocity TV, is not product development.

I don't think I've ever watched an episode of any automotive TV show that provided tech much beyond demonstrating that whatever the topic was about could actually be done and showing whose products they were going to try to do it with.

Norm

01-10-2014, 04:30 PM	#956
crysalis_01 Iron fist, lead foot Drives: 2003 Mustang Cobra Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Wyoming Posts: 1,243	Can't we all just admit this is going to be a fun car for whoever has the cash to buy one. The mass of those complaining about it never planned to buy one anyway. Honestly, I (as a "Ford guy") even think this car is a great idea as it may lead to the reinitialization of the Cobra R program. I couldn't say that those who will purchase this car aren't crazy for doing so, but they're my kind of crazy, seeing as I'd still pay $50k for a '00 R. Let's all hope to see these Z/28's in action, and maybe for some of us, let's enjoy the driver they provide. __________________ '03 SVT Cobra-SC4.6L V8 \|\| modded with mods'n'stuff

01-10-2014, 04:41 PM	#957
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	FYI, regarding the Z06 I'm on board with Number 3 it's going upmarket. They're evan mentioning the word "Supercar". So figure six figures. __________________

01-10-2014, 07:31 PM	#962
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,300 View My Garage	FYI, Fast and Loud, Counting Cars, Velocity TV, is not product development. Even "How it's Made" and "Modern factories" do not even come close to showing the effort required. Me thinks we see an engine swap on TV and think that's all it takes. Very close to a product development 101. That is all. __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley

01-10-2014, 07:33 PM	#963
jim911 Drives: 2014 Stingray, 2014 E63 AMG Wagon, Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: wisconsin Posts: 76	harness or roll bars Any info concerning harness bars or roll bar for new Z28. Those slotted seats are not much good without a bar and harnesses to secure your Hans device. Last edited by jim911; 01-10-2014 at 07:36 PM. Reason: change car to z28

01-10-2014, 03:47 PM	#955
snackbar64 Drives: SW 2017 ZL1, M6, Carbon, Nav, MR, Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Prosper, TX Posts: 801	First of all congrats to Chevy for building this car. Secondly, the same thing they are saying about this car is the same thing is they said about the ZL1 and ZR1 prior to that. "You won't be able to find one," "every one of them will be spoken for,"... yet and still ZR1s and ZL1s could be found two to three per lot at a time with puppy dog headlights begging to be taken home. This Z28 as grand as it may be doesn't not have a magic wand to ward off many of the factors that prevent low volume/high priced cars from selling out every year. If you want one bad enough they will be there to be had. 75 grand doesn't just fall out the sky, or grow on trees. For all it's wonderous abilities, it's an impractical vehicle. It's still a tough sell sitting next to an already expensive and more practical ZL1 with all the creature comforts standard that give you at least a shot at selling the whole idea to your wife. Fabulous car, and I could possibly buy one. But I'd just buy a ZO6 first to add to the collection. If the Stingray is this fabulous at 455 hp, what would a ZO6 do to competition? I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking that.