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hapisok · 04-04-2013, 08:21 PM

all done, buttoned back up and DTC cleared, no more cam position sensor CEL!. starts up the first time EVERY TIME!

litle88 · 04-04-2013, 08:41 PM

Nice lol good job.
Congrats. Now another morning glued to the forum lol.

hapisok · 04-04-2013, 09:01 PM

its like having christmas 2 days in a row but the 1st one sucked. see you guys tomorrow.

but i will leave you with this. prior to realizing the wrong cam gear was in, it was already on the dyno and had made the first baseline pull...absolutely NO changes were made. it was already sitting at 430HP and 400 TQ. the TQ came on at 3000RPM and carried out FLAT LINED till around 5500RPM before dropping.

thahemp · 04-04-2013, 10:09 PM

Are the teeth spaced different on the gears? That much running would start to make me nervous if they're different...

thahemp · 04-04-2013, 10:22 PM

Just so you're not freaked out, I did some reading, and they aren't different. It's just that your ECM can't tell if it's compression or exhaust stroke sometimes.

VADER SS L99 · 04-04-2013, 10:34 PM

Cant the wrong timing gear cause all sorts of damage? Wouldnt the cam not be in the right position for the lifters causing all kinds of cam and lifter carnage? Did you check the cam to make sure there were no marks on it? Hope all is well. Looking forward to your results.

hapisok · 04-05-2013, 04:51 AM

The toothing on the gears is identical, so mechanically the timing stays the same. Its the reference on the cam gear that the ECU needs to realize where the actual position is for startup and other timing events, fuel & air, stuff like that. Same concept as if the cam timing sensor were to go bad. No mechanical damage, just decreased performance and startup. Hope that helps.

hapisok · 04-05-2013, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thahemp

Just so you're not freaked out, I did some reading, and they aren't different. It's just that your ECM can't tell if it's compression or exhaust stroke sometimes.

exactly

CGT · 04-05-2013, 08:27 AM

Made the same mistake in 07 on my Trailblazer SS. Its definitely a mistake you only make once. Back then it wasnt as well known. I hadnt even heard of a single bolt cam until I got this one apart, and not many people i talked to had either. The cam companies didnt even have cores for the single bolt. So I just picked up a 3 bolt gear and put my aftermarket cam in. It turns out I had a 50-50 shot on the 3 bolt gears.lol. I was unlucky, got to do it over again the next day.

hapisok · 04-05-2013, 09:13 AM

at least you had an excuse...i have none! just chalk it up to being a noob i suppose. definitely won't make that mistake again.

hapisok · 04-05-2013, 12:06 PM

dyno results...pretty happy with em. car drives amazing and hooks well! chirp all the way through 3rd.

if i were a llama...

http://youtu.be/D9tr2-p9h90

Firefighter · 04-05-2013, 12:19 PM

Not bad. That's no head work and stock manifolds? If so that is pretty impressive... well impressive either way just more so without the other two mods. LoL

Sent from my friggin Droid by two thumbs using Tapatalk 2 or whatever the ish it's called....

litle88 · 04-05-2013, 12:26 PM

Almost 460 cam only!

Gotta love it!!!

hapisok · 04-05-2013, 12:29 PM

yeah, i wasn't shooting for a high HP cam. wanted to keep it closer to 450HP/450TQ. im good with 459/425 though, its a good split without losing driveability or any other side effects.

mods:

roto fab cai
ported throttle body
vararam power wedge
cam (duh)
LG motorsports LT's w/hf cats
ark exhaust
3.91 gears
and some suspension stuffs.

04-04-2013, 08:21 PM	#85
hapisok crazier than a coconut Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: virginia Posts: 1,547	all done, buttoned back up and DTC cleared, no more cam position sensor CEL!. starts up the first time EVERY TIME! __________________

04-04-2013, 08:41 PM	#86
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	Nice lol good job. Congrats. Now another morning glued to the forum lol. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

04-04-2013, 09:01 PM	#87
hapisok crazier than a coconut Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: virginia Posts: 1,547	its like having christmas 2 days in a row but the 1st one sucked. see you guys tomorrow. but i will leave you with this. prior to realizing the wrong cam gear was in, it was already on the dyno and had made the first baseline pull...absolutely NO changes were made. it was already sitting at 430HP and 400 TQ. the TQ came on at 3000RPM and carried out FLAT LINED till around 5500RPM before dropping. __________________

04-04-2013, 10:09 PM	#88
thahemp Geek Drives: 2012 Black LS3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, KS Posts: 4,343 View My Garage	Are the teeth spaced different on the gears? That much running would start to make me nervous if they're different... __________________ 01000111011011110110111101100100001000000110110001 11010101100011011010110010000001110111011010010111 01000110100000100000011101000110100001101001011100 110010000001101111011011100110010100100001 x = ac97968bd3df8f968c8cd3df998a9c94d3df9c8a918bd3df9c 909c94df8c8a9c949a8dd3df92908b979a8ddf998a9c949a8d d3df8b968b8cd1 x = ~x

04-04-2013, 10:22 PM	#89
thahemp Geek Drives: 2012 Black LS3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, KS Posts: 4,343 View My Garage	Just so you're not freaked out, I did some reading, and they aren't different. It's just that your ECM can't tell if it's compression or exhaust stroke sometimes. __________________ 01000111011011110110111101100100001000000110110001 11010101100011011010110010000001110111011010010111 01000110100000100000011101000110100001101001011100 110010000001101111011011100110010100100001 x = ac97968bd3df8f968c8cd3df998a9c94d3df9c8a918bd3df9c 909c94df8c8a9c949a8dd3df92908b979a8ddf998a9c949a8d d3df8b968b8cd1 x = ~x

04-04-2013, 10:34 PM	#90
VADER SS L99 Drives: 2013 A6 GT 5.0 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 2,909	Cant the wrong timing gear cause all sorts of damage? Wouldnt the cam not be in the right position for the lifters causing all kinds of cam and lifter carnage? Did you check the cam to make sure there were no marks on it? Hope all is well. Looking forward to your results. __________________ BLK/BLK 1SS/RS Ordered 11-01-2009 Took delivery 12-22-2009. Heads/cam/converter/bolt ons. SOLD Feb 2015 to fund 6th gen LT1 SS with 8L90E.

04-05-2013, 04:51 AM	#91
hapisok crazier than a coconut Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: virginia Posts: 1,547	The toothing on the gears is identical, so mechanically the timing stays the same. Its the reference on the cam gear that the ECU needs to realize where the actual position is for startup and other timing events, fuel & air, stuff like that. Same concept as if the cam timing sensor were to go bad. No mechanical damage, just decreased performance and startup. Hope that helps. __________________ Last edited by hapisok; 04-05-2013 at 06:07 AM.

04-05-2013, 08:27 AM	#93
CGT Drives: 2011 SSm6 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: St.Louis Posts: 355	Made the same mistake in 07 on my Trailblazer SS. Its definitely a mistake you only make once. Back then it wasnt as well known. I hadnt even heard of a single bolt cam until I got this one apart, and not many people i talked to had either. The cam companies didnt even have cores for the single bolt. So I just picked up a 3 bolt gear and put my aftermarket cam in. It turns out I had a 50-50 shot on the 3 bolt gears.lol. I was unlucky, got to do it over again the next day.

04-05-2013, 09:13 AM	#94
hapisok crazier than a coconut Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: virginia Posts: 1,547	at least you had an excuse...i have none! just chalk it up to being a noob i suppose. definitely won't make that mistake again. __________________

04-05-2013, 12:06 PM	#95
hapisok crazier than a coconut Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: virginia Posts: 1,547	dyno results...pretty happy with em. car drives amazing and hooks well! chirp all the way through 3rd. if i were a llama... http://youtu.be/D9tr2-p9h90 Attached Images __________________ Last edited by hapisok; 04-05-2013 at 12:18 PM.

04-05-2013, 12:19 PM	#96
Firefighter Drives: Black '13 2SS/RS/1LE w/NPP/NAV Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Tampa by way of Miami... Posts: 4,934	Not bad. That's no head work and stock manifolds? If so that is pretty impressive... well impressive either way just more so without the other two mods. LoL Sent from my friggin Droid by two thumbs using Tapatalk 2 or whatever the ish it's called.... __________________ My Build Thread... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285054

04-05-2013, 12:26 PM	#97
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	Almost 460 cam only! Gotta love it!!! __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

04-05-2013, 12:29 PM	#98
hapisok crazier than a coconut Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: virginia Posts: 1,547	yeah, i wasn't shooting for a high HP cam. wanted to keep it closer to 450HP/450TQ. im good with 459/425 though, its a good split without losing driveability or any other side effects. mods: roto fab cai ported throttle body vararam power wedge cam (duh) LG motorsports LT's w/hf cats ark exhaust 3.91 gears and some suspension stuffs. __________________