EDMUNDS shootout: Camaro vs. Mustang vs. Challenger!!!

[Rock36]

Originally Posted by eddiehaskell

You've got to consider though - the Camaro doesn't offer a track pack. The Camaro that was tested has GM's bread and butter V8 suspension that everyone who buys a V8 will get. The Mustang had the optional track pack added to it.

A better comparison would be V8 Camaro vs non-track pack Mustang GT - these are the suspensions that most people will get.

Without the track pack, I think the Mustang will be more closer to a V6 Camaro competitor rather than a SS competitor.

I gotcha man, and there will be plenty of aftermarket suspension pieces for the SS that will do great things....which is honestly all the Mustang GT track pack is...an aftermarket suspension package offered by ford racing that was turned into a factory option.

My point was a broader one; however, about how solid axles can still perform relatively well.

[Italianwhiplash]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

No...I dont have that in my car, but guys have tested the accuracy of them and they are very accurate.

I used a G-tech to get the 0 to 60 time

the Computers on the challenger, is so inaccurate, been proven many many times. My quarter mile to my actual quarter mile and 0 to 60 is way off from what the car thinks it is.

[Italianwhiplash]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

A bare bones SS should be the fastest due to its lighter weight.

My Challenger R/T is much lighter than the one they used and I get 4.7 zero to 60 no problem...and I am bone stock.

your computer is way off, don't go by the comp.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Italianwhiplash

Indeed and I don't anyone would by a barebones car. Lets be realistic everyone wants best of the best when they go buy a car. (best in its class). I wouldn't get a bare bones camaro i would just feel like the wait was for settling for lesss.

I don't really care about HID headlights or leather seats. No point in me paying more for stuff I don't want. In fact, I wouldn't mind if the 1SS had even fewer standard comfort options to drop the price down below the $30 000 mark.

Originally Posted by eddiehaskell

You've got to consider though - the Camaro doesn't offer a track pack. The Camaro that was tested has GM's bread and butter V8 suspension that everyone who buys a V8 will get. The Mustang had the optional track pack added to it.

A better comparison would be V8 Camaro vs non-track pack Mustang GT - these are the suspensions that most people will get.

Without the track pack, I think the Mustang will be more closer to a V6 Camaro competitor rather than a SS competitor.

Maybe, for those that equate equal power to equal performance -and there are enough people out there who do think that so it is a possibility. Anyone interested in performance will see that the Mustang GT, even without the trackpack would have roughly a 1 second advantage over the Camaro to 60 and in the 1/4 mile. Based on what we've seen though, the V6's should out handle the regular GT's (ie no track pack).

But the Mustang GT (trackpack, premium, regular) and Challenger R/T are the prime targets for the SS.

Originally Posted by fdjizm

yes exactly so doesnt the ss already have a "track pack" ?

Essentially, yes. Though a suspension upgraded and different gearing could alwasy be added to the SS.

[JJ#48Racing]

Originally Posted by Georgie

it is true, you are simply wrong on this. the cobalt is based on a solid axel setup and it does just fine on the often overhyped nurburing

Overhyped? Have you ever been on that track? I have and I truley believe that if a car or a driver can master that track, they can master any track. It's not nicknamed the "green hell" for nothing.

[Georgie]

no but ive been on jebel hafeet in a rx-8. point is, thats not the only good road in the world and i dont buy that if you can master this you can master anything, same can be said on at least a few mountain roads

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by Italianwhiplash

your computer is way off, don't go by the comp.

I used a G-TECH to measure 0 to 60, I dont have the computer in my car.

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by eddiehaskell

You've got to consider though - the Camaro doesn't offer a track pack. The Camaro that was tested has GM's bread and butter V8 suspension that everyone who buys a V8 will get. The Mustang had the optional track pack added to it.

A better comparison would be V8 Camaro vs non-track pack Mustang GT - these are the suspensions that most people will get.

Without the track pack, I think the Mustang will be more closer to a V6 Camaro competitor rather than a SS competitor.

Who's crying now?

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

I used a G-TECH to measure 0 to 60, I dont have the computer in my car.

You should take it to the dragstrip to get an accurate number.

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by Bocephus

You should take it to the dragstrip to get an accurate number.

I would rather take my 350Z to a road course....but one day at a stop light I will see if an SS or Mustang GT will hand me my azz.

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by eddiehaskell

You've got to consider though - the Camaro doesn't offer a track pack. The Camaro that was tested has GM's bread and butter V8 suspension that everyone who buys a V8 will get. The Mustang had the optional track pack added to it.

A better comparison would be V8 Camaro vs non-track pack Mustang GT - these are the suspensions that most people will get.

Without the track pack, I think the Mustang will be more closer to a V6 Camaro competitor rather than a SS competitor.

So for 3 years we've heard that the Camaro will destroy the Mustang in the twisties and now that it's not the case,the excuses start. It's a proud day for Ford when the Camaro message boards start making excuses for their car vs the lowly Mustang GT.

[Rock36]

I was just happy to point out that a solid rear axle can perform well....so if anything, it was more of a defense of the Mustang GT than an attack on the Camaro.

I wasn't trying to start a flame war here.

[radz28]

All I have to say to those who are not Camaro fans is to remember where you are... Camaro (hopefully) will have time to mature and I'm sure improvement packages (i.e. 1LE) could make a return in a few years. This generation 'Stang goes back to like '05, isn't it? It's had that time to mature and evolve. I won't argue it's suprising how well it truly does. I'd like to see comparisons between the cars with the same model tires (not so much sizes, just models) and get a better idea what the performance difference is. Don't forget reviews stating the IRS in Camaro really shines when the pavement starts to get choppy. I think that's where IRS really shines; when the surface is irregular. Regardless - it's important for everyone to remain respectful to everyone else. This IS a Camaro site after all; "When in Rome..."

Respectfully...

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Rock36

I was just happy to point out that a solid rear axle can perform well....so if anything, it was more of a defense of the Mustang GT than an attack on the Camaro.

I wasn't trying to start a flame war here.

Ford's done a great job keeping it dang competitive