Bumleb's Camaro battery cable issue is almost Fixed, Issue Solved

[cyberbro]

Originally Posted by Nostromo

Likely a harried assembler, with 8 pairs of management eyes boring a hole through his/her skull, as they were trying to route a 14 foot long battery cable through spaces offering near-zero clearance.

"Lazy". What a dumb-ass comment.
You have no idea how dumb.

"Lazy" I thought that was a little extreme as well.

As far as the 8 pairs of eyes, that is why I believe middle management should always have as much work to do as the people under them.

[Nostromo]

Originally Posted by cyberbro

"Lazy" I thought that was a little extreme as well.

As far as the 8 pairs of eyes, that is why I believe middle management should always have as much work to do as the people under them.

I've seen a symbiosis struck at various times.
The freedom to do your job, and cost-effectively too, within your skill level can be very gratifying. Of course it is also one's duty to diligently perform the task at hand in exchange for their pay.
I'm afraid that with GMS, even as standardization is applied, some intangible aspect of craftsmanship is lost. The job elements are sometimes compressed to the point of unnaturalness. Fluidity can be scarce within the footprint of the job.

Every second of your time on-the-line, including the interval between heartbeats, is accounted for now.

This statement of mine, a mixture of observation and opinion, applies to those souls directly involved in bringing the vehicle to 'life' as it were.

[edit] I'm glad yours is almost there for you.

[Stevo]

I can see a long black wire coming from the back of the car that disappears behind the starter but then reappears beside the starter in what seems like a very small passage between the starter and the engine block. This would seem a logical site since routing it on the other side of the starter would put it closer to the exhaust. It will be interesting to see where the dealer places the new cable (presumably if in the same place then it can be assumed that it was the cable at fault and not an improper location). It would be nice to get a pic of the damaged cable to see if the damage was compatible with an inherent cable/insulation defect or an external pinch or crush that corresponds to the tight spot. A car that unexpectedly stops suddenly is very dangerous...wonder if the V6 cable would be routed similarly...

[Rodrunner]

Originally Posted by Caliman93230

Nonetheless it seams the wires where touching the started got burnt and thus caused the car to shut down.

Wires touching a starter will not get burnt, there's no current flow through the wire's insulation. Wore through the insulation because of touching? No, at the length of that run, it should be a minimum of 4 gauge cable, and that heavy insulation would not wear through that quickly, even considering the train/truck ride. This was an already damaged cable, a pinched cable, or heat damage. Hopefully we find out.

[Bumleb]

Originally Posted by Caliman93230

wow a camaro in Hanford, to bad my first time seeing it was in the shop, however I had the opportunity to meet Bumleb and her family, awesome people.

I will post some pictures as soon as Bumleb sees this post and gives me permission to do so.

Nonetheless it seams the wires where touching the started got burnt and thus caused the car to shut down.

for example in this pic.

Caliman, please post. The pic's I have are all fuzzy. But the example you put it exactly it....

[Bumleb]

Originally Posted by Stevo

I can see a long black wire coming from the back of the car that disappears behind the starter but then reappears beside the starter in what seems like a very small passage between the starter and the engine block. This would seem a logical site since routing it on the other side of the starter would put it closer to the exhaust. It will be interesting to see where the dealer places the new cable (presumably if in the same place then it can be assumed that it was the cable at fault and not an improper location). It would be nice to get a pic of the damaged cable to see if the damage was compatible with an inherent cable/insulation defect or an external pinch or crush that corresponds to the tight spot. A car that unexpectedly stops suddenly is very dangerous...wonder if the V6 cable would be routed similarly...

They repaired the cable for vehicle moving purposes, of course waiting for a new cable, but yes, that cable. The friction between the cable shielding and the starter, mixed with heat, did it.

[Stevo]

Thanks Bumleb for informing us about all this.
When your new cable is installed I hope it has a better fate. Take care.

[Caliman93230]

Originally Posted by Bumleb

Caliman, please post. The pic's I have are all fuzzy. But the example you put it exactly it....

OK some of the pictures are kinda blurry nonetheless one can tell that the wires where taped so there must have been some damage to them.

[FxsX24]

Originally Posted by CommandoSS

Probably different times for AC Delco from a quality perspective. I'm talking based on new batteries acquired between 2002 and 2005.

i had a customer come in today, with a 02 maliboo boo, bad battery, delco also

[MRSBMCS]

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but if the wire was taped before the damamage, is it possible someone spliced the wire then taped it? I've done simular on our 77 CJ5. But that's a hunting Jeep!

[Bumleb]

[Bumleb]

Originally Posted by MRSBMCS

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but if the wire was taped before the damamage, is it possible someone spliced the wire then taped it? I've done simular on our 77 CJ5. But that's a hunting Jeep!

The material is over the burnt part. The service dept repaired it so that they could move the vehicle. A new cable is on order and I hope for reinforcement even after the cable is replaced.

[Bumleb]

Not a view I hope to see very ofter. But sure is pretty.....!

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Bumleb

Not a view I hope to see very ofter. But sure is pretty.....!

You got that right. I tell ya though. I was under mine today checking it out and those mufflers almost look like dual gas tanks. They are huge.