Enough muscle car vs muscle car...

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by Phenix

Wes, you want to be proven wrong? Look up Group-N rally racing. Only allows safety mods, tires, and minor suspension mods needed to adapt a street car to the dirt.

that sounds like fun.... if i ever somehow land in money, i am so doing that

[Danno]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

I'd race a 3 year old in an electric jeep..nobody is immune from the smackdown...lol

how about the nitrous'd goped?

[Wrath]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

I have seen up close and personal what my friends Hahn's can do. From a roll, out the hole, on a road track....that thing is a beast.

Lol, I love that you have a friend from Japan named hahn thats into cars... its like Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by Danno

how about the nitrous'd goped?

WHOA!!!

[Wrath]

Originally Posted by Danno

how about the nitrous'd goped?

That would scare the shit outta me!

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by Danno

how about the nitrous'd goped?

there is no replacement for displacement huh? lmao

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

Really? A stock Camaro ran an 11.8 1/4 mile? I'd like to see those numbers, seeing as they don't exist... maybe if the 1/4 mile was downhill. Pretty sure the best 1/4 mile an SS has run has been 12.9 so far (i think, could be wrong). Anyway, Wesmen, if you honestly think the Skyline is 'nothing special'... then I and bid you good day!

No, he said the same trap speed (112 was achieved by Hot Rod). I think he's a moron but he was actually correct on that point.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

No, he said the same trap speed (112 was achieved by Hot Rod). I think he's a moron but he was actually correct on that point.

"1997 black acura". Typical

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

No, he said the same trap speed (112 was achieved by Hot Rod). I think he's a moron but he was actually correct on that point.

Hot Rod didn't use a real track. They used GPS.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by bballplaya210

Not to mention that the s2000 engine won the international engine of the year award 3 times and still to this day has produced the most hp per liter out of any production car ever made. This makes the F20C arguably more efficient than any LSX. I think the LSX motors are great and clearly have limitless potential but they are not necessarily stronger engines just because they produce more hp. Clearly FI on a Honda is no less reliable than any other make. I find it entertaining that you blindly believe that anything with less than 8 cylinders is worthless.

What good is HP per Liter?? Does HP/L make your car faster?? Does it make it get better fuel economy?? No, its just a meaningless statistic that ricers made up to try and justify smaller engines.

The LSX is a MUCH stronger engine than your Honda 4 cylinder. You're comparing a 2 bolt main, open deck block 4 cylinder against a 6 bolt main, closed deck, deep skirt block V8. The LSX architecture makes it one of the strongest engine designs in existance...nobody has ever said that about a Honda, because they aren't. I've seen connecting rods in gocarts that are the same size as the rods in the H22 I was assembling the other day. Now thats a joke. And guess why that engine blew up?? The owner boosted it.

I never said anything without 8 cylinders is worthless. There are plenty of cars that serve other purposes and use 4 and 6 cylinder engines. But if you're looking to go fast, there is no point to trying to do it with a 4 banger.

A good example is the Cobalt SS T/C. Sure its only a 4 banger, but it makes 260HP and manages almost 30MPG highway - all for around $24K. Thats a great daily driver and a fun car. But you probably wouldn't cross shop one with a Camaro SS, they are in different leagues. But then you have cars like the Evolution and STI and S2000, which costs the same as a Camaro SS, yet can't even beat the Cobalt in acceleration or around a track. And they certainly aren't made to be abused like a Camaro, because they just break. And thats just pointless.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

Model
R34 GT-R V-Spec

General Information

Layout
Front-engine / AWD

Curb Weight [lb (kg)] 3395 (1540) 2440 (1560)

Steering Rack & Pinion; Speed Sensitive Power Ass.
Turning Radius [ft. (m)]
18 (5.6)
Tires front 245/40 ZR18
Tires rear 245/40 ZR18

Engine

Type
RB26DETT - Inline-6; Twin-Turbo Charged
Valvetrain
dohc 4-valve/cyl
Displacement [cc] 2568
Bore & Stroke [mm] 86.0 x 73.7
Compression Ratio 8.5:1
Redline [rpm] 8000

Max. Power [Bhp at rpm] 280 at 6800 (official) 327 at 6800 (real)
Max. Torque [lb-ft (Nm) at rpm] 293 (400) at 4400
Bhp/Liter 109 127.3

Gear Ratios

1st
3.827
2nd 2.360
3rd 1.685
4th 1.312
5th 1.000
6th 0.793
Final drive 3.545

Suspension

Front
MacPherson struts with an additional link, Lower A-Arms, Coil Springs
Rear Mulitlink Setup with Coil Springs, Tube Shocks, Anti-Roll Bar

Braking

Front - Brakes
300mm ventilated discs with 4-piston calipers
Rear - Brakes 280mm discs with 2-piston calipers
70 - 0 mph [ft (m)] 148 (46)
60 - 0 mph [ft (m)] 120 (36.6)

Performance*

0 - 60 mph [secs]
4.9
0 - 100 mph [secs] 12.3
1/4 mile [secs at mph] 13.7 at 103.5

Top Speed [mph] 155
Lateral acceleration [g] 0.88

Wow, I'm beside myself. Those performance numbers are just plain sick, I would love to pay 100K to have one imported so I could pull the same numbers as a stock Mustang GT

Actually, on 2nd thought, I'll just take a Mustang GT track pack, because it pulls higher lat acceleration, has more torque, runs the same 0-60MPH, runs a faster 1/4 mile, stops 12 ft better from 60MPH, and I guarentee it gets better fuel economy. Not to mention it sounds 100 times better than a riced up straight 6.

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

Really? A stock Camaro ran an 11.8 1/4 mile? I'd like to see those numbers, seeing as they don't exist... maybe if the 1/4 mile was downhill. Pretty sure the best 1/4 mile an SS has run has been 12.9 so far (i think, could be wrong). Anyway, Wesmen, if you honestly think the Skyline is 'nothing special'... then I and bid you good day!

Guess what?? You need to learn to read. I said same trap speed. Not same 1/4 mile time. Big difference.

And no, I don't think the Skyline is special. Especially after those numbers you posted. Get a grip.

[danraz98]

I'll add my two cents. I have had a 1998 honda prelude fun car. I have had a 03 eclipse gts another fun car. And now I am ready for something different. I test drove a 02 trans am and told myself ill never buy another 4 or 6 cylinder car. I love the sound its awesome. And I like the fact that it can kick most cars ass stock vs stock and simple mods can make it really fast. To get the performance out of those cars i could get with a camaro is way too much money plus Im tall those small cars wont do anymore. Yes you could make those imports fast and there are a lot of fast ones out there but about 70% are not gonna keep up with a new camaro with the same mods. So there I confess I am a converted ricer and lovin it!!

[hollywoodGU]

i would love to see someone go up against the new GTRs they only have a straight 6....they are also something like the 3rd or 4th fastest production car in the world, AND they sell for less than any of the other top 10 fastest. Nissan is amazing, i still love chevy dont freak out, but everyone should be afraid if nissan did ever decied to put a 8 cyl in anything besides their trucks. I mean common, a straight 6 that will smoke a v12 viper, you gotta give it up

[hollywoodGU]

oh and i know it wont keep up with the new v8s, but for anyone who thinks 4 cyl are slow come drive my 40. I spank my friends v6 mustand all day long and what sad is he keeps modding it more and more to beat me, and ya he is getting closer, but still hasnt caught up.