Not entirely new: '11 SRT8 possibly up to 480 horse

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by wbt

Piss poor on the side of Dodge for doing so. Not only do they have the worst performing cars in class they are also the most expensive. WTF!

Exactly. At least GM has made better business decisions since the bailout, and they look to be able to repay the loans over time. Chrysler looks like they didn't learn a thing.

[bigearl]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Exactly. At least GM has made better business decisions since the bailout, and they look to be able to repay the loans over time. Chrysler looks like they didn't learn a thing.

I think it's too early to tell if that's true or not based on just some internet rumors. The first new introduction out of Chrysler since the bailout is the new Jeep Grand Cherokee, and by all accounts it is a stellar introduction. The interior is getting rave reviews, the pentastar engine is getting rave reviews, etc.

TTAC which is historically extremely hard on American cars said: "If you have a Land Rover LR4 and an Acura MDX in your garage, and you don’t require a third row of seats, you can send them both to the auction and replace them with this Grand Cherokee. It’s that good."

So I'm not saying the new Challenger is going to be as well executed as the JGC, but if Chrysler was taking it's time to do it right- it may actually be that Chrysler has learned quite a bit.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by bigearl

I think it's too early to tell if that's true or not based on just some internet rumors. The first new introduction out of Chrysler since the bailout is the new Jeep Grand Cherokee, and by all accounts it is a stellar introduction. The interior is getting rave reviews, the pentastar engine is getting rave reviews, etc.

TTAC which is historically extremely hard on American cars said: "If you have a Land Rover LR4 and an Acura MDX in your garage, and you don’t require a third row of seats, you can send them both to the auction and replace them with this Grand Cherokee. It’s that good."

So I'm not saying the new Challenger is going to be as well executed as the JGC, but if Chrysler was taking it's time to do it right- it may actually be that Chrysler has learned quite a bit.

The new Grand Cherokee is good, I'll give Chrysler that. But so is the new Equinox, the new Terrain, the new SRX, the new LaCrosse, the new Regal ...

[bigearl]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

The new Grand Cherokee is good, I'll give Chrysler that. But so is the new Equinox, the new Terrain, the new SRX, the new LaCrosse, the new Regal ...

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make there.

My point is only that it's too early to tell if Chrysler didn't learn a thing. They've only introduced 1 new model and by all accounts, the first post-bankrupty introduction was knocked out of the park according to the reviews. I'm not going to prejudge Chrysler as a failure based on some internet rumors of a price increase. If the price increase buys an interior like the JGC it may be worth it.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by bigearl

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make there.

My point is only that it's too early to tell if Chrysler didn't learn a thing. They've only introduced 1 new model and by all accounts, the first post-bankrupty introduction was knocked out of the park according to the reviews. I'm not going to prejudge Chrysler as a failure based on some internet rumors of a price increase. If the price increase buys an interior like the JGC it may be worth it.

Exactly and FY I to everyone else the New Grand Cherokee is CHEAPER trim for trim than the outgoing model with MORE standard features? I would guess at worst the price for the CHallenger will stay the same, at best it may actually be cheaper in the SE and R/T guises.

[SSC Super Venom]

Originally Posted by wbt

Piss poor on the side of Dodge for doing so. Not only do they have the worst performing cars in class they are also the most expensive. WTF!

Funny thing the SRT-8 is in the GT500 class and can't fight the GT500's little brother and friend the Mustang GT and Camaro SS

[1bad65]

As to the SRT Cherokee, it may be a great vehicle, but it has to sell in large numbers to make it worth it for Chrysler. And imo, it's a niche vehicle. You cannot turn a company around making small volume niche cars. You need models that sell in high volumes.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by bigearl

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make there.

My point is only that it's too early to tell if Chrysler didn't learn a thing. They've only introduced 1 new model and by all accounts, the first post-bankrupty introduction was knocked out of the park according to the reviews. I'm not going to prejudge Chrysler as a failure based on some internet rumors of a price increase. If the price increase buys an interior like the JGC it may be worth it.

I believe his point is that GM seems to be a more agile company since TARP and bankruptcy. Chrysler has not been able to demonstrate that....

[Stew]

Originally Posted by SSC Super Venom

Funny thing the SRT-8 is in the GT500 class and can't fight the GT500's little brother and friend the Mustang GT and Camaro SS

SRT8 is 42k, the new GT500 is 50k, little bit of a price difference to be competing there?

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Stew

SRT8 is 42k, the new GT500 is 50k, little bit of a price difference to be competing there?

2010 SRT8 Challenger starts at $43,680 including gas guzzler and destination while the 2011 GT500 begins at $49,495. However, the Challenger SRT8 is expected to go up by about $1900 for 2011 and the gas guzzler tax may or may not be lifted with this new engine. If it looses the tax, it would only go up by $200. If not ... the two cars would be within less than $4000 of each other, or less than 10% difference.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by Stew

SRT8 is 42k, the new GT500 is 50k, little bit of a price difference to be competing there?

Isn't that less than the gap between the Camaro SS and Mustang GT vs the Challenger SRT? Yet people compare those cars. Face it, Dodge has WAY overpriced these cars.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

2010 Challenger SRT8 starts at $43,680 including gas guzzler and destination while the 2011 GT500 begins at $49,495. However, the Challenger SRT8 is expected to go up by about $1900 for 2011 and the gas guzzler tax may or may not be lifted with this new engine. If it looses the tax, it would only go up by $200. If not ... the two cars would be within less than $4000 of each other, or less than 10% difference.

A very good source is showing the starting price at 43100 for the SRT8 which is basically 7k difference. the are preliminary prices too meaning they will most likely change before the car comes out.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Isn't that less than the gap between the Camaro SS and Mustang GT vs the Challenger SRT? Yet people compare those cars. Face it, Dodge has WAY overpriced these cars.

TO get a car in the Mustang or Camaro equal to the SRT in features you have to have the GT in Premium with the Brembo brakes and comfort and electronic groups at minimum and the SS has to be at minimum a 2SS RS. So the true difference feature for feature is around 6000 and the SRT still outfeatures the Camaro in particular.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Stew

TO get a car in the Mustang or Camaro equal to the SRT in features you have to have the GT in Premium with the Brembo brakes and comfort and electronic groups at minimum and the SS has to be at minimum a 2SS RS. So the true difference feature for feature is around 6000 and the SRT still outfeatures the Camaro in particular.

Ironic... the same difference between a GT500 and a SRT-8.