Electric Vehicles

[genxer]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/new-y...130040140.html

"Respondents also had strong preferences for which automakers they would consider purchasing an electric vehicle from if they were to do so. Nearly one-third (30%) would most likely consider Toyota (TM) as their top choice for an electric vehicle, followed by Tesla (TSLA) at 23%, Honda (HMC) at 20%, GM (GM) with 15%, and Ford (F) at 14%."

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by jamala00

You most certainly are not in the minority, you are in the majority of people who don't believe EV is the right choice.

I think they really should have gone more hybrid, more alternate fuels, and EV all together. I know several of you have said the same. It just makes more financial sense given the infrastructures.

It would certainly be different if the batteries were recyclable or re-usable in a mainstream sense. They're not, so it's just hazardous waste that we're putting in the ground all the time.

[Gen6cyl]

I don't own a snow blower. They don't even sell them around here. I haven't even seen one in person in probably 30 years.[/QUOTE]

You may need one when ev's start the global cool down.

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

I think they really should have gone more hybrid, more alternate fuels, and EV all together. I know several of you have said the same. It just makes more financial sense given the infrastructures.

It would certainly be different if the batteries were recyclable or re-usable in a mainstream sense. They're not, so it's just hazardous waste that we're putting in the ground all the time.

Correct EV's should be another option of types of vehicles you can buy along with ICE or hybrid, etc... That makes the most sense and I believe in the end that is what will happen. That is my opinion... but if anyone here (including myself) believes they can tell you what the auto landscape will be 5, 10 years from now, they are doing nothing but giving you their opinion.

Ask Ford (who's EV's are sitting) if they still plan to go full EV by 2035. Doubtful. ICE is going to be here for a long time, especially if leadership in Washington changes, mandates are rolled back, and gas prices come back down.

As far as the Camaro goes... It doesn't surprise me that gm stopped producing it. I drove the lot the other day (I was bored) it was all crossovers and pick-ups Oh and by the way all the crossovers look exactly the same. It's a multiband lot by me, so it wasn't all gm. I left the lot with my wife and said, man there is not one single vehicle on that lot that would cause me to part with my cash. It's sad... There is not one EV that would make me part with my money. Every single Tesla model is gut wrenching hideous. The EV Silverado is about the only thing I find somewhat appealing, but $110k... Bwhaaaa Haaaaaa ... Never

[Gen6cyl]

Maybe if ev's get to half of autos on the road , they will stop increasing mpg , emissions laws.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

All of this is essentially the automakers going all in on the automotive equivalent of betamax.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by Gen6cyl

I don't own a snow blower. They don't even sell them around here. I haven't even seen one in person in probably 30 years.

You also live in GA... I had one at my house when I still owned one....and my parents actually have a snowplow adapter for their lawnmower.

[Gen6cyl]

Maybe they are seeing the T train coming back in a year.

[Gen6cyl]

This is honestly the best news day in the auto industry in YEARS. I hope they are learning.[/QUOTE]

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

It would certainly be different if the batteries were recyclable or re-usable in a mainstream sense. They're not, so it's just hazardous waste that we're putting in the ground all the time.

This is not exactly true. Many are and will be repurposed for less demanding roles when they are no longer suitable for EV usage. I'm not saying there will be no waste, just that they are trying to come up with creative ways to give the modules another lifecycle.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by snizzle

This is not exactly true. Many are and will be repurposed for less demanding roles when they are no longer suitable for EV usage. I'm not saying there will be no waste, just that they are trying to come up with creative ways to give the modules another lifecycle.

As of this moment, I would be willing to bet money that over 75% of it is buried in the ground, been burned to crisps, or has been submerged in water. I highly doubt much of it has been recycled, apart from perhaps being swapped to other vehicles from crashed vehicles.

I've watched a ton of Rich Rebuilds and a few other channels and the sheer amount of stuff sitting in dumps/junkyards is pure crazy.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Market forces can only be ignored so long. You can fool some of the people some of the time, and EV manufacturers are certainly doing that, but there is a size-able fraction of the population who can see that the Emperor is naked.

[snizzle]

Yes, because these companies are increasingly becoming an extension of government shielded from complete failure. The Green New Deal.

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Market forces can only be ignored so long. You can fool some of the people some of the time, and EV manufacturers are certainly doing that, but there is a size-able fraction of the population who can see that the Emperor is naked.

Exactly... I have been saying this same thing in so many EV threads. The consumer will decide if EV's are the next thing, not the manufactures. "If you build it they will come" just isn't the case. The manufactures can build all they want, and if they are not purchased, they can go bankrupt. If they have no plan B, they can go out of business... You can't force people to buy a product.