The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[2011 5.0]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I would love to see where you live.

I'm lucky to see one every couple of months and it's usually at a car show.

Beside how can you stick out in a basic GT mustang. There everywhere even in the little dirt hole town I live in.

Really?! I'm the only one in town with a new 5.0! Or even a Stang with the redisign! There's millions of Z06's... And every guy with them is old... P.S there is one really fat old guy with a blue ZR1!!!

[NoSyT]

Just read this posting by Car & Driver Mag....

....sources from inside Ford are saying the 2013 Shelby Mustang GT500 will put down 620 horses from a Supercharged 5.8L V8...wow!

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...er-future_cars

Did the ZL1 get revealed too soon?

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by radz28

Thanks! Yeah - I've seen that color in person then, and I REALLY like it. I do like stripes, and while would be the way I'd go, but I'm not sure it'd add them to this color. Stripes, to me, are for a color that can't stand on it's own, a lot of the time, but I really like this blue.

Thanks for the info'



WRONG!!! There are no bad CAMAROs!!! :emoticon7::suic ide:... I'll admit the 4th Gen didn't really do it for me, emotionally, but the performance was REALLY good. It grew on me after a little bit, but I love both my '95 and '02 to no end



That color don't need no stripes

I understand what your talking about ,but to me a GT500 without stripes is like a 79 trans am without the bird. Just looks odd

[motorhead]

Third one in two days

[2011 5.0]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I understand what your talking about ,but to me a GT500 without stripes is like a 79 trans am without the bird. Just looks odd

It would kinda get a sleeper status wouldn't it? Cause you would think it's a regular GT and BAM, you hear a whistle and the so called "GT" is gone...

[radz28]

Originally Posted by 2011 5.0

I'm a Mustang man and I would take a ZL1 over a ZR1. I want to stand out! Not blend in with the ocean of Z06's... :/

I might have to respectfully disagree with you there... Personally - I LOVE how the Z'ohs and ZR1s look; seriously. I'd totally rock either of those (after my ZL1 ) but I understand what you're saying. I just have not really got what many have said about the lack of distinction between the 'Vette models. I think they're easy to see, but I'm in the minority

Originally Posted by motorhead

I would love to see where you live.

I'm lucky to see one every couple of months and it's usually at a car show.

Beside how can you stick out in a basic GT mustang. There everywhere even in the little dirt hole town I live in.

There are a fair amount in my parts. I LOVE seeing them every time. I like them way more than C5s. C6s just have a lot more charisma, IMVHO, and I stop what I'm doing everytime I see a Z'oh or ZR1.

That's just me though

[radz28]

Originally Posted by 2011 5.0

Really?! I'm the only one in town with a new 5.0! Or even a Stang with the redisign! There's millions of Z06's... And every guy with them is old... P.S there is one really fat old guy with a blue ZR1!!!

There are a few around me, but not a whole lot yet. Not even the new V6 models; I look, too! Hmm... It sounds like that fat guy's working that 638 HP . I know I worked all of my '02s, lol.

Originally Posted by motorhead

I understand what your talking about ,but to me a GT500 without stripes is like a 79 trans am without the bird. Just looks odd

Good point. I immediately connect a GT500 to stripes, and no not to go near that car (not that I even think about it now, in my current car, lol). But - yeah; I've been thinking I wouldn't want the ZL1 stripe, but when I visualize the car without it, it just kinda' takes something away from the car. The hood looks a little out of place, with the black CF extractor, without the stripe, but with the stripe, it seems to come together for me.

Good point.

Originally Posted by 2011 5.0

It would kinda get a sleeper status wouldn't it? Cause you would think it's a regular GT and BAM, you hear a whistle and the so called "GT" is gone...

There are a few "whiny" Terminators around here LOL. There's one at the track that I can remember, and all I hear, the WHOLE run, was the SC screaming, down the track. I don't think he even went WOT until half track, lol. That was a low-10 I LOVE factory FI engines

[NoSyT]

Is it a repost? My bad, hard to keep up sometimes here in Iraq.

Mods go ahead and delete this thread.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by radz28

There are a few around me, but not a whole lot yet. Not even the new V6 models; I look, too! Hmm... It sounds like that fat guy's working that 638 HP . I know I worked all of my '02s, lol.



Good point. I immediately connect a GT500 to stripes, and no not to go near that car (not that I even think about it now, in my current car, lol). But - yeah; I've been thinking I wouldn't want the ZL1 stripe, but when I visualize the car without it, it just kinda' takes something away from the car. The hood looks a little out of place, with the black CF extractor, without the stripe, but with the stripe, it seems to come together for me.

Good point.:respek:

I'm not crazy about the stripes on the 2011 with the STV package though. If I was buying one I would stripe delete so I could get the STV package and then order the standard GT500 stripes and have them installed.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Dirty D

Is it a repost? My bad, hard to keep up sometimes here in Iraq.

Understood, Not all of us are fighting for our country like you. I'm sure you don't have the time to spend hours looking at Camaro5.

Thanks for you service and be safe.

Good info either way ,but it will probably get merged with the others.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by 2011 5.0

Really?! I'm the only one in town with a new 5.0! Or even a Stang with the redisign! There's millions of Z06's... And every guy with them is old... P.S there is one really fat old guy with a blue ZR1!!!

Millions...Where are you?!??! Bowling green? Also, I'm thinking about buying a Z06. Are you calling me old!

[thePill]

Looking at the LSA, I can see a very few weak links preventing it from making LS9 power from the factory. First, the powder coated rods. Although I personally know for sure that they are good up to LS9 power, not sure if GM wants to warranty that. Second, the hyper-eutectic cast aluminum pistons. These are NOT your standard cast pistons of old, they are very durable, In fact, they actually last longer than the LS9's forged pistons over time due to the polymer coating... Even though I have confidence in these pistons to produce LS9 power, the next limitation will ultimately put them on the spot... Third, the 1.9 liter TVS, a 2.3 liter is needed, providing 10.5lbs of boost replacing the 1.9L at 9lbs. This extra 1.5lbs of boost will no doubt test the LSA's piston's and rod's. Forged aluminum pistons and steel rods could easily handle the extra boost and is very possible. I know GM has a CTS-V race car, I would look into that cars LSA and see if such a setup exist... If its on the race track, GM can build it...

But... All three of those quick fixes will bring about another MAJOR concern. The TR6060 transmission is still only rated at 560 ft lbs and I warned of this before. If the transmission was built by GM then it really would matter what the TQ rating was but the fact is that this TR6060 MG9 is a Tremec product. The next logical step would be to use the TR6060 MH3 that the LS9 uses. It is validated to 620ft lbs... By that time though, GM might as well go with the LS9...

But.... Now were talking about a $30,000 drivetrain which is about 12k over the LSA/MG9 combo. Good news is the ZL1 will shed about 30lbs from the engine, bad news is, it will gain it back in the transmission... It will however, be superior to anything GM has...

Does GM want the ZL1 so close to the ZR1? I never could have predicted that Ford would have opted for a bigger displacement along with the TVS. Ford is pushing up right beside the ZR1 because they know the Camaro will not push there. It also puts GM in a drivetrain dilemma with both the engine and transmission. There will again be weight savings from the GT500/SVT Cobra, it will be cheaper than the 5.4/6060 combo and I would bet my next 2 paychecks that this will have the suspension and 305 tires it needs to do so (and launch control). In light of this announcement, it also tells me that the 2012 GT500's are already gone and offering a 2013 GT500/SVT Cobra with upgrades is a great way to sell 30k GT500 owners those upgrades via Ford Racing and make double bank... If this engine truly is the Coyote long stroke 5.8, there is very little GM can do to match it in the same price range...

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Dirty D

Just read this posting by Car & Driver Mag....

....sources from inside Ford are saying the 2013 Shelby Mustang GT500 will put down 620 horses from a Supercharged 5.8L V8...wow!

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...er-future_cars

Did the ZL1 get revealed too soon?

I wonder about if it got revealed too soon... However - in this case, we may have a little insight into what Ford might be doing. Is that bad? So long as development is continuing on ZL1, I don't really see the problem, per se. If GM were only planning, say, 560 HP, seeing the GT500 might get around 600+ might push them to reconsider their target. I'm not sure how much it takes to account for trying to make another 50 HP to work effectively in a car at an OEM level, but I know it's not that difficult to get the engine to get there. But can the rest of the driveline stand up to it? There's a safety factor calculated into these assemblies and components, but another +10% increase in power isn't small at this level.

Is it too late? Who knows. Is it good that GM might have a better idea what may be going on over at Ford? SURE! I don't necessarily think GM didn't already have an idea; but now a lot of people do, now, have this to think about, so I'll be interested to see what happens. I really think 600 horse' in LSA would be easy to get and that GM could do it, but at what price? Is there a market for a successful $60K factory CAMARO? I know I'm out

Originally Posted by Dirty D

Is it a repost? My bad, hard to keep up sometimes here in Iraq.

Mods go ahead and delete this thread.

Just merged

Originally Posted by motorhead

Understood, Not all of us are fighting for our country like you. I'm sure you don't have the time to spend hours looking at Camaro5.

Thanks for you service and be safe.
Good info either way ,but it will probably get merged with the others.

Merged because of the points in this post :flag2:

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette

Millions...Where are you?!??! Bowling green? Also, I'm thinking about buying a Z06. Are you calling me old!

I will