The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[coolman]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

2 years? theyre talking about possible 2013 model year which i believe come out next year. read the posts.

Oh I've been reading the post ,but it isn't like this a a source for which to confirm info that is this far out. Hell they've been calling the ZL1 a Z28 for the last year and this is a camaro forum. It wouldn't surprise me if the released it in early 2012. Any more they release cars earlier and earlier. I think they shouldn't be allowed to put out a model year any earlier than a couple of months before the model year it's titled for. Hell some of these cars are damn near a year old before they reach their actual model year.

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

empirical data is right there in front of your face!

And there's a youtube video of a V6 5th gen beating a cobra, does that mean the V6 is faster??

[thePill]

Originally Posted by coolman

Oh I've been reading the post ,but it isn't like this a a source for which to confirm info that is this far out. Hell they've been calling the ZL1 a Z28 for the last year and this is a camaro forum. It wouldn't surprise me if the released it in early 2012. Any more they release cars earlier and earlier. I think they shouldn't be allowed to put out a model year any earlier than a couple of months before the model year it's titled for. Hell some of these cars are damn near a year old before they reach their actual model year.

The advanced model year will fix itself come the redesign in 2014. Competition and initial demand causes that. I think MY13 will be an extended MY for the Mustang because the anniversary is a hard date. MY13 will be 16 months long, a good reason to slightly refresh the body work and come out with some exciting models to hold sales.

[Crowley]

11.72 @ 117 mph ... w/ drag radials. Hooks up pretty nice and pulls strong. They don't mention, but I wonder if that is with the red key (or performance key) .. sounded real good ..

I'll have to review what Stock GTs with the 3.73s are pulling with just drag radials ... anyone know?

Crowley

[anthonyj9h]

117 is a good trap speed

[THE EVIL TW1N]

sheesh thats strong! 117mph is getting up there!

[anthonyj9h]

i think that is like 5mph less than the z06 with less power hmmmmm who says ford isnt moving in the right direction.....looks like working with fererri helped out

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

And there's a youtube video of a V6 5th gen beating a cobra, does that mean the V6 is faster??

is there emprical data on that run? are there hard numbers to back up the v6 to show they are faster?

[radz28]

The sound is certainly different. I'm guessing they took the baffles out of the side exhaust? That was a good driver and they didn't give that car and quarter, LOL.

Great run and that's one way to break in a car

[Sawyer]

Nice!

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Sorry...gasoline is less dense than water...which is the value you used. Gasoline actually weights around 6.073 lbs per US gallon. Which, if using a 16 gallon tank (requiring a total redesign and revalidation) versus a 19 gallon tank would save...18.29 pounds. That's not much of a trick...unless sacrificing real-world range is a new selling point? A better, and MUCH cheaper solution would be to just not fill up before a lap, or a run. Pretend it's got a 3 gallon tank.

The name never had any attachments to weight. Whoever coughed up that rumor was ill-informed. The statement was that the "Z28" moniker would never be used on a Camaro not worthy of that hallowed name...It was a comment in response to the suggestion that Chevy should design a body kit, tweak the SS and call it a Z28. That'd be akin to calling the GT's track pack "Boss"....and the team wouldn't do that.

The fact is they never once addressed a Z28 in any official capacity...so we are held by the facts to believe they never intended to call this King of Camaros by that moniker. I believe differently...and think that after they looked at the sheer capabilities of this new rendition once it was near completion...they decided to take a step beyond heritage and bring the "ZL1" nameplate into the light for the first time. A legend in its own right...it is both old and new; representing raw power and cutting-edge technology. More fitting for this model than even the iconic 'Z28', and I'd have to agree.

As far as the exhaust...most of the weight is in the resonators and mufflers on the Camaro. Some have said the mufflers themselves weigh approximately 45 lbs, together. When you figure on replacing them with an axle back....there's the 20 lbs savings...plus or minus. And that's just about what Chevy's done with the Dual-Mode system. As long as the cat converters stay in position...it's an emissions compliant system, after-market or no.

There's only a few more things I can bring up at this point...for whatever it's worth...

Throw the paper and the time slips and the numbers out of the window for a second. When you have a passenger or two in your car. You're adding 200-400 lbs, unless they are dainty women (in which case, more power to ya!). And unless you're hyper-sensitive...you will not notice this weight...you just won't. Admittedly, you're not racing...but these cars will spend 90% of their lives on public roads, and that must be taken into consideration. Some have said that you're butt-dyno won't really notice that your car is lighter until you take out in the neighborhood of 500-600 sprung pounds. Whether this is "scientifically proven", or not...the fact is 200-300 lbs is hardly detected by your senses when you're already in a 2-ton car.....worrying about how to save 15 at high expense, is simply laughable...I put together that post, only because I enjoyed the math...I don't care if the car weighs 4300 lbs, because I know it will be damn good, regardless.

The point of that little rant was to get to this point: The goal with all performance cars, after the numbers game, is to connect with the driver. And even though it's adding some pounds, the ZL1 will be infinitely more responsive and "nimble" feeling than the SS, or even the LT models. THAT'S what's important to me...

And with that...I'll stop de-railing the .... 'valued' GT500 rumor thread....

And asking a Mustang drive to connect with CAMARO is like asking for $1/gallon premium fuel, lol.

Maybe we can merge all these valued Mustang threads into one MEGA Mustang thread to consolidate all of this information. That way, we can save members their time so they can go to one place for everything they love here

Originally Posted by coolman

Oh I've been reading the post ,but it isn't like this a a source for which to confirm info that is this far out. Hell they've been calling the ZL1 a Z28 for the last year and this is a camaro forum. It wouldn't surprise me if the released it in early 2012. Any more they release cars earlier and earlier. I think they shouldn't be allowed to put out a model year any earlier than a couple of months before the model year it's titled for. Hell some of these cars are damn near a year old before they reach their actual model year.

[chain777]

Here's the same car running stock, without the drag radials:

[radz28]

That 1-2 was BI-WINNING!!!

I'm liking that exhaust more and more... I hate to admit that...

[chain777]

Originally Posted by Crowley

11.72 @ 117 mph ... w/ drag radials. Hooks up pretty nice and pulls strong. They don't mention, but I wonder if that is with the red key (or performance key) .. sounded real good ..



Crowley

The red key tune isn't available yet. Sounds good with the disk removed.