2014 Camaro Z/28 pricing announced at $75,000

[DrkPhx]

Just a tidbit; I saw the Z/28 at the Detroit Auto Show and reached in the wheel well to check the tire tread depth and noticed there is very little tread to begin with on those tires. I would imagine they would wear in no time flat if driven on the street.

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by Viral

Holy CRAP! That seems like entirely too much for a Camaro, especially considering the entry price of the new Corvette Stingray.

Is there anything wrong with it being a Camaro?

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

How much would it cost you to build one to compete with this Z/28?

Why are some here trying to hamper the rest of us enthusiast from experiencing the most track focused Camaro ever offered from the factory? Is it only because it does not fit in some folks idea of what a high performing Camaro should be or what price boundary it should reside in?

Just be found of the model that you can afford to enjoy and take pride in ownership and let the rest of us who may or may not have the means but surely do have the desire to lust after our TWO halo models, ZL1 & Z/28, I know I will.I'm not liking the fact that car prices as a whole are much higher as compared to the past 30 plus years but thats what it is and we cannot change that. We should not discriminate against the Camaro lineup for having a high end halo model this generation due to it not having such a price point like this in its past but we also did not have a model like this in the Corvette lineup until the ZR1 model made its debut either.

Things evolve, so should we. We all will be better for it.

100% Agree!

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

No, fully GM OEM. If a Z/28 guy/gal damages a rim they buy a replacement wheel at a GM dealer and that's still considered OEM - isn't it? It is GM, so, OEM and not BBS, CCW or another aftermarket firm.

You IMPLIED a ZL1 was OEM-available with 19" Z/28 rolling stock. That is NOT the case...without a separate trip to the Parts Dep't. If you're going to hold others to a standard YOU do not meet, there's a word for that sort of "character"...

OEM means Original Equipment Manufacture...as in factory available and installed...not AFTERMARKET, which a trip to the Parts Dep't makes them, if they were NOT factory-installed regardless of sourcing...

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

You IMPLIED a ZL1 was OEM-available with 19" Z/28 rolling stock. That is NOT the case...without a separate trip to the Parts Dep't. If you're going to hold others to a standard YOU do not meet, there's a word for that sort of "character"...

OEM means Original Equipment Manufacture...as in factory available and installed...not AFTERMARKET, which a trip to the Parts Dep't makes them, if they were NOT factory-installed regardless of sourcing...

I beg to differ wrt your definition of OEM. If I damage a wheel and purchase a new one (made at, or sourced by GM factory) from a Dealer's parts dept, it is still considered OEM notwithstanding a factory won't install it but a dealer will.

But I see your point: at this stage Z/28 wheels are not offered as an option on a ZL1. Hence my suggestion to simply purchase ones available right in a brochure. They promise the same weight savings as the ones on Z/28.

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

I doubt that I'll out drive my 1LE for quite some time... the two Z's are way above my capabilities.

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I get that bro....and that's the case for many consumers of these rides. For me, I live on the adrenaline that goes behind the wheel, and I can sustain that to a degree. But it's a price break point on maintenance and wear thats associated with tracking the car that prevents me from doing so. So I live within my means. This ride is crazy. It's like everything you could have ever wanted in a women, but it's in a Camaro. And if you lived the Camaro dream for decades, you have reached the promised land.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

But I see your point: at this stage Z/28 wheels are not offered as an option on a ZL1.

Correct which, by implication, made your statement *without explanation* misleading at the very least...

Hence my suggestion to simply purchase ones available right in a brochure.

...which was something YOU said you weren't stupid enough to do...

They promise the same weight savings as the ones on Z/28.

I'd be interested in seeing your scan of that particular passage...

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

I beg to differ...

Since January 6th, you've made it your apparent mission to do that, continuously and variously, throughout this thread and the 'Ring Time thread. So I should be neither flattered by you nor perturbed with you. Which of course is the case...

Again, how's the weather in Barrie?

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Since January 6th, you've made it your apparent mission to do that, continuously and variously, throughout this thread and the 'Ring Time thread. So I should be neither flattered by you nor perturbed with you. Which of course is the case...

Again, how's the weather in Barrie?

...sorry, couldn't resist..., just sayin...

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

I'd be interested in seeing your scan of that particular passage...

FYI: The optional 5 spoke wheels are supposedly 11lb lighter then 10 spoke std. But I must admit I didn't weigh them myself.

Bottom line: somebody quoted a comment made by a GM engineer about the 2.87 second diff at Milford, as well as Pete has suggested the same: the time gain is chiefly due to tires. And that the car would benefit from another 100HP. In a nutshell, this mirrors my point exactly.

Weather in Barrie is likely not as nice as weather in Cruisin

[RLHMARINES]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

FYI: The optional 5 spoke wheels are supposedly 11lb lighter then 10 spoke std. But I must admit I didn't weigh them myself.

Bottom line: somebody quoted a comment made by a GM engineer about the 2.87 second diff at Milford, as well as Pete has suggested the same: the time gain is chiefly due to tires. And that the car would benefit from another 100HP. In a nutshell, this mirrors my point exactly.

Weather in Barrie is likely not as nice as weather in Cruisin

The Pill!

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Since January 6th, you've made it your apparent mission to do that, continuously and variously, throughout this thread and the 'Ring Time thread. So I should be neither flattered by you nor perturbed with you. Which of course is the case...

Again, how's the weather in Barrie?

Just stating my opinions, which indeed differ from most, but not all.
Unfortunately, minority get swarmed and then swamped on this forum.
Ignore my posts and read Pete's post in the Ring thread instead. Apparently he carries much weight and consideration on this forum. And if it takes a record posts for Pete to express his opinion, I am glad that I had persevered as what he states regarding tires and power matches my thoughts exactly.

[OldScoolCamaro]

^...and your comparison to Pete proves what?

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

^...and your comparison to Pete proves what?

I read what Pete said a "little" differently. The Wheels/tires contribute greatly due to numerous things; lower CG, lighter weight (++unsprung), square design, tire sidewall stiffer, (not just) treadwear rating...

The other changes (aero, diff, gearing, brakes, shocks, weight loss...) will experience greater value by upping the HP & TQ.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I read what Pete said a "little" differently. The Wheels/tires contribute greatly due to numerous things; lower CG, lighter weight (++unsprung), square design, tire sidewall stiffer, (not just) treadwear rating...

The other changes (aero, diff, gearing, brakes, shocks, weight loss...) will experience greater value by upping the HP & TQ.