The Radar / Laser MEGA thread

[Snoman]

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105745

Originally Posted by Camaro Dude

Go tell that to a pop U.S. based lazer jammer forum as Intro, report back.

100% illegal in the United States

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105745

Originally Posted by Wizard1183

Since when is speeeding a felony? There's no risk involved. ...

Almost never, unless you are caught doing 100mph+ and/or involves racing, damage property, damage life, death.

[Wizard1183]

Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's

A lawyer paying off a cop to not show up to court and the cop accepting are both committing felonies. The lawyer would be disbarred, the cop fired and basically unemployable in law enforcement from that point on.

See relevant codes, edited to reflect the applicable portions:

IC 35-44.1-2-2
Obstruction of justice
Sec. 2. (a) A person who:
(1) knowingly or intentionally induces, by threat, coercion, false
statement, or offer of goods, services, or anything of value, a
witness or informant in an official proceeding or investigation
to:
(A) withhold or unreasonably delay in producing any
testimony, information, document, or thing;
(B) avoid legal process summoning the person to testify or
supply evidence; or
(C) absent the person from a proceeding or investigation to
which the person has been legally summoned;
....commits obstruction of justice, a Level 6 felony

*****


IC 35-44.1-1-2
Bribery
Sec. 2. (a) A person who:
(1) confers, offers, or agrees to confer on a public servant,
either before or after the public servant becomes appointed,
elected, or qualified, any property, except property the public
servant is authorized by law to accept, with intent to control the
performance of an act related to the employment or function of
the public servant or because of any official act performed or to
be performed by the public servant, former public servant, or
person selected to be a public servant;
.....
(7) being a witness or informant in an official proceeding or
investigation, solicits, accepts, or agrees to accept any property,
with intent to:
(A) withhold any testimony, information, document, or
thing;
(B) avoid legal process summoning the person to testify or
supply evidence; or
(C) absent the person from the proceeding or investigation
to which the person has been legally summoned;
...
commits bribery, a Level 5 felony.


So, yes, felonies. And yes, LEOs have to show up to court. A subpoena is enforceable if the judge gets a hair up his backside, and I'm sure anyone with a job understands their boss wants them to show up to work when they are supposed to.

Well....lets just say I've seen this take place in Louisiana. But of course Louisiana is a VERY politically corrupt state. Money talks. BS walks

[BMR Sales]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

Using a radar jammer is a federal offense in the U.S. ... so bad idea.

Radar yes, Laser, no. Lasers are controlled by the FDA

[BlkCamaroVert]

Originally Posted by Wizard1183

Never heard that one but you're paying AAA monthly right? So in a yr if you only got 1 ticket, and they pay it avg $200 a ticket; you probably paid about $1000-1200 a yr for AAA lol so is that worth it? Considering AAA is about $100 a month. idk?

They don't pay the fine. They pay for the lawyer, i.e. Ticket Clinic fees. They usually get everything dismissed.

[sherob]

Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's

Courts are strange and magical lands where anything can happen, but I never once lost a speeding ticket while using instant on.

"Your honor, I visually estimated the defendant's speed at XX mph. I used my (radar system) to verify my estimate, and the (radar system) indicated (the speed), which corroborated my visual estimate."

I've had folks argue against the radar, against my certifications, that I wasn't wearing my hat when I issued the ticket (yes, seriously), and never lost one.

On a side note, I used to play with my radar even when not running traffic. I'd hit the switch just to see who's brake lights came on. I didn't even have same direction moving radar, but it was a really good radar detector detector. I'm sure all those folks believe their radar just saved them a ticket.

These days I'm plain clothes and in an unmarked, I don't even have a ticket book, but even Stevie Wonder can see my unmarked is a police car. I'm amused when someone comes barreling up the lane, gets even with my car and realizes the white Charger with a spot light and police plates is a cop car and then rapidly decelerates and tucks in behind me. Bud, If I wanted you, I'd have had you...

I love seeing this!

If you aren't scanning vehicles ahead of you as you're driving, w/ or w/o a detector, then you aren't driving defensively anyway. You should always be aware of where vehicles are around you, and ahead of you.... and what those vehicles are.

As a bike rider... I'm always paying attention to traffic patterns, drivers, and exits if needed.

[BlkCamaroVert]

Originally Posted by Wizard1183

BS. Maybe in states like Cali or Virginia where everything is against the law? But most part, jammers are perfectly legal. And I assume if you're the only one on the road and he's hitting you with LIDAR and you jam it? What's he stopping you for unless he knows you're doing about 100+? He has no proof of there sppeed you were going? It wouldn't hold up in court. "Yea, he used a jammer so I couldn't tell his speed but my calculation he was doing "about" ....mph."

Lawyer up and you won!

And the REALLY good jammers? They're installed in the bumper and he won't be looking at the front of your car to see it installed. He may pull you over and ask what you were using? I'd tell him, nothing! I was doing the speed limit. Is there a problem you pulled me over?

The Ticket Clinic is the way to go. They know how to get practically anything dismissed. You'll see your court date reset over and over. Eventually the case gets dismissed. Then you send the Ticket Clinic bill to AAA (if you have it) and all you pay is minor court costs. Seen it work for friends over and over again. I haven't used them in many years but when I did I had two speeding tickets a few months apart and both got cleared up. These guy's have got it down to a science. Red light and speed cameras too. A slam dunk. No drama. You don't even need to speak to someone. It's all done online.

BTW, it's sad to me that cops degrade themselves doing this rather than fighting real crime. And even more pathetic that they get off on it. In school we looked at those type of snitches as the lowest of the low. Look at what they've grown up to be. :( The dorks that were picked on became cops the winners became lawyers. Machines, meter maids or sub-contractors should be doing this (if at all). It's so different in truly free countries. In the USofAhole Trump voters, thank God for good lawyers.

[Snoman]

Originally Posted by BlkCamaroVert

...
BTW, it's sad to me that cops degrade themselves doing this rather than fighting real crime. And even more pathetic that they get off on it. In school we looked at those type of snitches as the lowest of the low. Look at what they've grown up to be. :( The dorks that were picked on became cops the winners became lawyers. Machines, meter maids or sub-contractors should be doing this (if at all). It's so different in truly free countries. In the USofAhole Trump voters, thank God for good lawyers.

You're talking about less than 1% of the force or simply bad LEOs, don't let your personal bad experiences cloud reality. Educate yourself and keep unrelated bi-partisanship out of it, you'll go much farther.

In Texas as most states, tickets serve to protect the public and revenue generation to keep the jurisdictions in the black. I was on a ride along last year where we pulled over a guy for nothing more than a broken tail light speeding 5 mi over and weaving slightly. Turned out to be a felon with 20 kilos of marijuana and weapons.

For every ticket we get poped with, there are 100 others that should have been. I've spent time in those traffic laws outside the USA, no thank you, never again, we have it pretty easy here.

[sherob]

Originally Posted by BlkCamaroVert

BTW, it's sad to me that cops degrade themselves doing this rather than fighting real crime. And even more pathetic that they get off on it. In school we looked at those type of snitches as the lowest of the low. Look at what they've grown up to be. :( The dorks that were picked on became cops the winners became lawyers. Machines, meter maids or sub-contractors should be doing this (if at all). It's so different in truly free countries. In the USofAhole Trump voters, thank God for good lawyers.

... You do know that it was the Clinton Crime Bill that put over 100K LEO's on the street to fight violent crime... that means patrolling, which HRC helped push thru. Hmmm... and HRC is an attorney. Come to think of it, Obama also helped fund LEO's, and he's an attorney too.

[OminouSS]

Holy EF I hate that I can't stop ignorant people from driving the same thing I do. Yes...Thank god for attorneys. Holy $@#&. That's the first damned thing I say when I get up in the morning. I mean, who doesn't think that EVERY DAY? Those fine esquires have nothing to do with corruption. EF.

I am so glad I can't live forever. This country is going to $hit.

[BlkCamaroVert]

Originally Posted by OminouSS

Holy EF I hate that I can't stop ignorant people from driving the same thing I do. Yes...Thank god for attorneys. Holy $@#&. That's the first damned thing I say when I get up in the morning. I mean, who doesn't think that EVERY DAY? Those fine esquires have nothing to do with corruption. EF.

I am so glad I can't live forever. This country is going to $hit.

Attorneys are the only ones left that can protect you from the unjust pro establishment laws that these Repubs are passing. We don't have the press to protect us anymore. All we have are lawyers. But you're right. People are so ignorant. They voted more crooks in than anytime in history. I blame Fox News. They brought out the easily fooled to vote.

[Camaro Dude]

Originally Posted by BlkCamaroVert

Attorneys are the only ones left that can protect you from the unjust pro establishment laws that these Repubs are passing. We don't have the press to protect us anymore. All we have are lawyers. But you're right. People are so ignorant. They voted more crooks in than anytime in history. I blame Fox News. They brought out the easily fooled to vote.

In metaphor talk, you are essentially blaming 2+ different brands of cigarette paper.

It is those who cannot see outside the bubble, who are the fools.

Yup, the vast majority it is.

Humbling isn't it? ; )

[Drew66]

Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's

I've no idea the percentage, but it's the best practice. It also depends on a given agency's focus on traffic.

For my department, patrol is not automatically radar certified nor issued a radar. You had to volunteer for the training, get approved, and then pass the course. It was not a difficult course, but there is basic math such as calculating averages for a speed survey, using a timer and distance (ie, a stop watch and calculating speed based on a known distance) etc. and the ability to learn to visually estimate speed. The basic class certified you for to use visual estimation, the stop watch method, and stationary radar. The level 2 class would add on moving radar, but I never took it. The basic class was a 2 or 3 day class plus practicals.

Then, the district HQ had 2 hand held radar guns you could sign out for the day. You could also buy your own and have the dept. certify it. I elected to just buy my own because I worked construction and school zone enforcement for over time.

So, as you can see, the vast majority of my department (about 1600-ish sworn officers) don't have a radar or the training to use one. Only our Traffic guys have laser, and I don't know anything about it. Compare that to State, where every road trooper has a radar or laser and is trained to use all the various methods.

Now that I've written a much too long response to tell you I can't give you percentages, I can tell you how stationary radar is supposed to be ran, at least as I was trained.

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your perspective and respect the hard and often unappreciated work law enforcement does.


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[BlkCamaroVert]

Originally Posted by Drew66

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your perspective and respect the hard and often unappreciated work law enforcement does.


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No disrespect intended but why would an officer volunteer to give tickets? To get out of fighting real crime? I don't think so because a pull over can be dangerous. I would think cops would think giving tickets are for meter maids. Do some people get off on being hated?

[SquawkVFR]

You know this is all really a bunch of nonsense right? Detectors, jammers whatever blah blah blah.... I have a V1 (choose your own device) it's gotten me out of plenty of tickets. But I don't rely on it as the end all magic device to tell me that when I'm speeding like an idiot I'll for sure see the cop before he sees me!

Get yourself a radar detector or don't. Sure it will reduce your risk of getting a ticket and if you're smart you'll see a lot of cops running radar before they see you but you'll rarely, if ever, beat the laser. If the cop wants you he's gonna get you. But if you're a habitual moron, or just a regular moron...as in you think you spend $500 on a detector and you can drive 100 mph all the time, you're gonna get a ticket.

So you either pay it, or go to court and pay it and try to have it reduced to help keep it off your insurance. And that all depends on how big of a moron you were when the cop pulled your dumb ass over to begin with.