Camaro VS 370Z

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

A. Thats 'SS' as in Cobalt 'SS'

B. Its 'Top Dog' on road courses. Id enjoy seeing an argument against that one.

The Camaro SS whooped the 350Z and STI on the Nuremburg ring. If thats not a road course than nothing is.

The Ring' favors high speed cars.. not cornering cars. The fact that the SS has such a high speed adv. and only beat the 350z by 4 seconds or so would make me suspect the outcome would be different on a different track.

Wow, I've heard some bullshit excuses before but come on. The ring doesn't favor cornering cars?? Its a damn 13 mile road course, its ALL ABOUT cornering. It it wasn't about cornering than the 556HP Bentley Continental GT would have been dead even with a car like the Cadillac CTS-V. The 350/370Z isn't the god like car you perviece it to be, you need to get a grip and get back to reality.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ive/index.html

0-60 in 5.5, Which makes the fastest Cobalt Slower than the slowest 350z.

Handling.. Have you ever even driven a 350z? the Handling on a Cobalt is sharp, but try pushing the FWD car. Have fun with that.

FWD = Fail.

While both the Z and SS are rated at a 13.9 1/4.

I don't like FWD in performance cars either. But the bottom line is the Cobalt SS beats both the STi and the 350Z around the 'Ring, which is all that needs to be said. FWD understeer or not, its the faster car around a road course.

As for the New STi quality... have you ever sat in one of those things? It would take all of 2 seconds for any bum off the street to decide which was nicer and it wouldnt be the Cobalt

Yes, I've been in both the previous generation as well as the new ones. Interior is decent, but its nothing to write home about. I don't see what you're bragging about.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Wesman

The Camaro SS whooped the 350Z and STI on the Nuremburg ring. If thats not a road course than nothing is.



Wow, I've heard some bullshit excuses before but come on. The ring doesn't favor cornering cars?? Its a damn 13 mile road course, its ALL ABOUT cornering. It it wasn't about cornering than the 556HP Bentley Continental GT would have been dead even with a car like the Cadillac CTS-V. The 350/370Z isn't the god like car you perviece it to be, you need to get a grip and get back to reality.

A. The Camaro beat the 8 year old 350z, which has 20 less hp than the later models, by 4 seconds. If thats a whooping than i think you should get out more.

And just for the record the 370z has put up on-par track numbers as the Porsche Cayman S, so staying consistant, the Camaro would be feeling a good old fashion behind the shed beat down.

B. Obviously you dont know much about the Ring if you think its 'all about cornering'

For instance, the 370z can corner harder than the CTS-V... but the CTS-V will win on the Ring every time because of the Long winding straights.

[kdbolt70]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

The Ring' favors high speed cars.. not cornering cars. The fact that the SS has such a high speed adv. and only beat the 350z by 4 seconds or so would make me suspect the outcome would be different on a different track.

Ok, so as long a we qualify not at the drag strip, and a road course with lots of turns, then the Z could win. Got it. Definitely better.


Oh, and its seven seconds. Not four.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by kdbolt70

Ok, so as long a we qualify not at the drag strip, and a road course with lots of turns, then the Z could win. Got it. Definitely better.


Oh, and its seven seconds. Not four.

A. People who own Z's are likely not going to be the same crowd hustling the drag strip.


B. Your semi/right, 4 seconds was for the Cobalt, 6 seconds for the Camaro.

[Design1stCode2nd]

Perhaps we should just keep this thread to Camaro vs 370z. No need to bring in the cobalt unless you want to start a Camaro VS Cobalt SS thread and a Camaro vs Evo, STI, Flying pig, shark with fricken laser beam thread....

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

A. The Camaro beat the 8 year old 350z, which has 20 less hp than the later models, by 4 seconds. If thats a whooping than i think you should get out more.

So you go from saying this about the Z:

B. Its 'Top Dog' on road courses. Id enjoy seeing an argument against that one.

To making excuses as to why it sucks. Fail.

And just for the record the 370z has put up on-par track numbers as the Porsche Cayman S, so staying consistant, the Camaro would be feeling a good old fashion behind the shed beat down.

I don't think a riceburning Nissan Z or a Hans and Franz Cayman has any room to issue anything in the form of a "beat down" to the 422HP 6.2L 3700lb Camaro SS. I don't see how any car can "beat down" another vehicle if it can't catch it and its outweighed by 300lbs

B. Obviously you dont know much about the Ring if you think its 'all about cornering'

Ahh yes, I forgot the 'Ring is nothing but a straight road with no turns:

For instance, the 370z can corner harder than the CTS-V... but the CTS-V will win on the Ring every time because of the Long winding straights.

Keep digging the hole deeper. You don't get the fastest lap record for any sedan IN THE WORLD by only being able to go fast in a straight line. You are just grabbing at straws now.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Wesman

So you go from saying this about the Z:



To making excuses as to why it sucks. Fail.



I don't think a riceburning Nissan Z or a Hans and Franz Cayman has any room to issue anything in the form of a "beat down" to the 422HP 6.2L 3700lb Camaro SS. I don't see how any car can "beat down" another vehicle if it can't catch it and its outweighed by 300lbs



Ahh yes, I forgot the 'Ring is nothing but a straight road with no turns:





Keep digging the hole deeper. You don't get the fastest lap record for any sedan IN THE WORLD by only being able to go fast in a straight line. You are just grabbing at straws now.

Your posts... if nothing else... show a clear lack of common sense and basic reading comprehension. I suggest you reread my posts until you understand them.

[JMM1181]

Originally Posted by Wesman

Ahh yes, I forgot the 'Ring is nothing but a straight road with no turns:

looks like a lot of straightaways to me, are you sure you had a point to make here? I think I get a little dumber each time I read one of your posts, although I'm trying my best to maintain a good sense of humor about it

[kdbolt70]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

B. Your semi/right, 4 seconds was for the Cobalt, 6 seconds for the Camaro.

Yaaaay facts!

http://jalopnik.com/5170792/chevy-ca...urgring-in-819

The 2010 Chevy Camaro SS officially lapped Germany's Nurburgring in 8:19.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by kdbolt70

Yaaaay facts!

http://jalopnik.com/5170792/chevy-ca...urgring-in-819

Not like the 1 second really matters but ill take this over a speculative website any day

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html

Take note of the 8:20

Originally Posted by JMM1181

looks like a lot of straightaways to me, are you sure you had a point to make here? I think I get a little dumber each time I read one of your posts, although I'm trying my best to maintain a good sense of humor about it

+ 100000000

[kdbolt70]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Not like the 1 second really matters but ill take this over a speculative website any day

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html

Your right, it is one second, but its more the principal of the thing

That lap was ran back in August or September in a pre-pro, without a fully tuned suspension. the official lap occurred much more recently, and shaved a second off.

Not that it really matters, like at all. Just trying to live up to my User title.


Edit: Here's our thread explaining the new time, from March: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15603

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by kdbolt70

Your right, it is one second, but its more the principal of the thing

That lap was ran back in August or September in a pre-pro, without a fully tuned suspension. the official lap occurred much more recently, and shaved a second off.

Not that it really matters, like at all. Just trying to live up to my User title.

Well if its ok with you im going to ignore the 'facts' coming from a speculative website



But we are arguing over onemississippi.

[kdbolt70]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Well if its ok with you im going to ignore the 'facts' coming from a speculative website



But we are arguing over onemississippi.

Fair enough. one second in an 8 minute lap could be practically a fart the driver let out.

I guess we've nailed the argument down to:

Z is faster on "real" road courses
SS is faster in a straight line
Z's interior is a bit nicer
SS is a bit cheaper
Both are nicely equipped, nicely priced cars that have excellent value and performance. It is very subjective to say who "wins" in this comparison.