Car And Driver comparison test: SS vs R/T vs GT

[comiskeybum]

who really cares about the 2010 comparision? wait till that 5.0 comes out. then mustang wins legit

[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

I'm just stating that GM pretty much negated any advantages of even offering a 6 spd in the way the car is geared overall in stock form. I agree that it can easily be changed, by car mags, for the most part, don't test drive modded cars.

The gearing is almost exactly the same as the 98-02 Camaros for the M6 models. When you do the math with the tire size and the different trans ratios it is within 1mph in every gear. Not to say they couldn't gear it more aggressively, they certainly could, but this gives them an easy place to improve and offer a performance package in a year or 2.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by comiskeybum

who really cares about the 2010 comparision? wait till that 5.0 comes out. then mustang wins legit

REALLY? Come on, this is the most retarded argument ever:

"HEY, I DON'T WIN IN PERFORMANCE NOW BUT IN THE FUTURE IT IS A POSSIBILITY!"

Let's talk about what we have right now, not what the future may hold.

[comiskeybum]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

REALLY? Come on, this is the most retarded argument ever:

"HEY, I DON'T WIN IN PERFORMANCE NOW BUT IN THE FUTURE IT IS A POSSIBILITY!"

Let's talk about what we have right now, not what the future may hold.

ok fine, lets talk about what we have now. here is my opinion

for the 2010 model year

winner in power - camaro

winner in exterior looks- its a tie for mustang and camaro

interior- i think mustang is best by far. challenger is kinda boring and camaro is just weird

handling- by far mustang

truest to original- challenger

best engine noise and exhaust note- mustang

and so on.......

so yes man i will give you the power numbers for 2010. hope your happy with it. and just remember mustang only needs something like 360hp to get the exact same numbers as your camaro.

but yes, camaro has the highest HP rating......its also heavy as hell

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by comiskeybum

ok fine, lets talk about what we have now. here is my opinion

for the 2010 model year

winner in power - camaro

winner in exterior looks- its a tie for mustang and camaro

interior- i think mustang is best by far. challenger is kinda boring and camaro is just weird

handling- by far mustang

truest to original- challenger

best engine noise and exhaust note- mustang

and so on.......

so yes man i will give you the power numbers for 2010. hope your happy with it. and just remember mustang only needs something like 360hp to get the exact same numbers as your camaro.

but yes, camaro has the highest HP rating......its also heavy as hell

Does it really matter that it's heavy if it's still faster? It sounds like a stupid, stupid excuse. If it's so heavy then why isn't the Mustang beating it? As has been said, part of the weight is for sound dampening and the 2012 safety standards.

The Mustang performs awesome but I just get irritated when people try and talk about the current generation and the response is always the same: "WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR!" You're comparing next years model to the 2010 model of the Camaro and Challenger. How do you know what they have in store?

I didn't mean to blow up, but it just gets annoying to try and have a rational argument and the response is about something that doesn't even exist yet.

As for the interior, I agree. The Mustang has the best interior out of all three, though I am not a fan of any of 'em.

Handling, by far Mustang? I don't know about that. The Mustang has a slight edge with the Track Pack, but nothing insane as far as I saw.

I hear the exhaust note on the previous Mustang's was just awesome so I don't doubt it sounds great. Can't really comment on that one.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

Does it really matter that it's heavy if it's still faster? It sounds like a stupid, stupid excuse. If it's so heavy then why isn't the Mustang beating it? As has been said, part of the weight is for sound dampening and the 2012 safety standards.

Weight counts towards alot of things... speed, handling, body roll, mpg...



And.. why isnt the mustang beating it? Idk if you noticed but they are 100hp apart, but the mustang is only .2 seconds behind to 60. All because of the weight.

The Mustang performs awesome but I just get irritated when people try and talk about the current generation and the response is always the same: "WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR!" You're comparing next years model to the 2010 model of the Camaro and Challenger. How do you know what they have in store?

I agree. Wait until next year is as pointless as winning by a tenth of a second

I didn't mean to blow up, but it just gets annoying to try and have a rational argument and the response is about something that doesn't even exist yet.


As for the interior, I agree. The Mustang has the best interior out of all three, though I am not a fan of any of 'em.

All of them are nice in their own way... but the Mustangs has the highest quality of materials.

Handling, by far Mustang? I don't know about that. The Mustang has a slight edge with the Track Pack, but nothing insane as far as I saw.

Agreed. WITH THE TRACK PACK the mustang is much better. This was a constant. Without the pack they are closer with a slight edge to the mustang.

I hear the exhaust note on the previous Mustang's was just awesome so I don't doubt it sounds great. Can't really comment on that one.

I can. Exhaust on the GT is the best thing about the Car.

[DeathChill]

I can't quote that post. DAMN YOU FORUMS!!!!

I know weight counts for a lot of things, but it's not as if the Camaro is falling on its ass with the weight. It seems to be an excuse for the Mustang guys to pick at (though they fail to mention the GT500 weighs more than the Camaro). I'm not saying the car shouldn't be lighter, I'm just saying "BUT OMG IT'S SO HEAVY" is a stupid thing to say when your personal favorite car is losing to it.

Yep, no doubt about the 0-60. However, that's not really the showing of power. 0-60 is mostly about launch and traction (though of course power is important!). You can't forget that the 1/4 mile is .5 apart with a 6 mph difference.

I don't know what category the Camaro is beating it by only a tenth of a second; both the 0-60 (by 0.2) and the 1/4 mile by (0.5 with a 6 mph difference) has the Camaro topping the Mustang. Of course better drivers can probably improve times for both cars. However, I don't understand how performing better then the other car is 'pointless'. These are real numbers that actually exist in production, while people are talking about the performance of an engine that isn't even in the car.

Again, can't really comment on the quality of the interior, but I like the Mustang's better.

I haven't seen any comparisons of the GT without the track pack so I can't comment on that. Link to that?

As for the exhaust, I heard that the Mustang is the best and don't doubt it one bit.

NOTE: I love the Mustang and think it performs great, but it's annoying that in any conversation about the Camaro and the Mustang it has to turn into a conversation about how the Mustang will win in the future.

[comiskeybum]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

Does it really matter that it's heavy if it's still faster? It sounds like a stupid, stupid excuse. If it's so heavy then why isn't the Mustang beating it? As has been said, part of the weight is for sound dampening and the 2012 safety standards.

The Mustang performs awesome but I just get irritated when people try and talk about the current generation and the response is always the same: "WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR!" You're comparing next years model to the 2010 model of the Camaro and Challenger. How do you know what they have in store?

I didn't mean to blow up, but it just gets annoying to try and have a rational argument and the response is about something that doesn't even exist yet.

As for the interior, I agree. The Mustang has the best interior out of all three, though I am not a fan of any of 'em.

Handling, by far Mustang? I don't know about that. The Mustang has a slight edge with the Track Pack, but nothing insane as far as I saw.

I hear the exhaust note on the previous Mustang's was just awesome so I don't doubt it sounds great. Can't really comment on that one.

well i get irritated when you guys act like the camaro is so much better than mustant. yes you have the power edge this year. congrats on that.

but muscle car competiion has always been " lets see what camaro does this year and next year we'll beat it" or vise versa.

and guys, im not trying to be mean at all, i love the camaro, im just a stang loyalist.

here is a fact. GM is bankrupt, this means that when mustang goes to the 5.0 at 400hp. both cars will be equal. mustang may have a slight edge due to weight. Camaro will not change its engine within the next 5 years due to backruptcy. this means mustang will match it and both cars will be great. it will be up to mods and driving skill to determine winner.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

I can't quote that post. DAMN YOU FORUMS!!!!

I know weight counts for a lot of things, but it's not as if the Camaro is falling on its ass with the weight. It seems to be an excuse for the Mustang guys to pick at (though they fail to mention the GT500 weighs more than the Camaro). I'm not saying the car shouldn't be lighter, I'm just saying "BUT OMG IT'S SO HEAVY" is a stupid thing to say when your personal favorite car is losing to it.

Its by no means falling on its ass with the weight. I dont think the Camaro is overweight, esp when you compare it to ANY car with 400+ hp. Ford has done a good job keeping the GT around 3500lbs, thats comendable, but I wouldnt say its a crime the SS is heavier. I agree that anyone screaming the sky is falling because of the Camaro's weight hasnt taken into account all the factors.

Yep, no doubt about the 0-60. However, that's not really the showing of power. 0-60 is mostly about launch and traction (though of course power is important!). You can't forget that the 1/4 mile is .5 apart with a 6 mph difference.

But you shouldnt forget that people will do 0-60 every time they drive their car, while you may do track runs a handfull of times a year. 0-60 is the most relevant form of comparison because quite frankly it is the only thing that we know both of these cars are going to be doing on a regular basis

I don't know what category the Camaro is beating it by only a tenth of a second; both the 0-60 (by 0.2) and the 1/4 mile by (0.5 with a 6 mph difference) has the Camaro topping the Mustang. Of course better drivers can probably improve times for both cars. However, I don't understand how performing better then the other car is 'pointless'. These are real numbers that actually exist in production, while people are talking about the performance of an engine that isn't even in the car.

The Camaro wins 0-60 by an average of .2 seconds, I just used a tenth of a second in general terms. For instance (though I know people who own SRT's and their fastest is 5.0) the SRT is supposedly capable of hitting 4.7, and to me thats a drivers race compared to the 4.6 of the SS. The Camaro dominates the GT in 1/4 races.
Again, can't really comment on the quality of the interior, but I like the Mustang's better.

I haven't seen any comparisons of the GT without the track pack so I can't comment on that. Link to that?

None as far as I know. When comparison tests are done by magazines the cars are provided by the Car company. Ford took special care to equip all out-going Mustangs with the optional track pack to ensure it won the handling segments. But again, I think weight has a good deal to do with this too.

As for the exhaust, I heard that the Mustang is the best and don't doubt it one bit.

Ya, its all subjective. Personally I LIKE all of them, but I LOVE the GT's. Wont sway my choice in cars because I know the sound can be manipulated through aftermarket, but i love it.

NOTE: I love the Mustang and think it performs great, but it's annoying that in any conversation about the Camaro and the Mustang it has to turn into a conversation about how the Mustang will win in the future.

Agree 100%. Im a Camaro person, I just like to see a fair trial.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by comiskeybum

well i get irritated when you guys act like the camaro is so much better than mustant. yes you have the power edge this year. congrats on that.

but muscle car competiion has always been " lets see what camaro does this year and next year we'll beat it" or vise versa.

and guys, im not trying to be mean at all, i love the camaro, im just a stang loyalist.

here is a fact. GM is bankrupt, this means that when mustang goes to the 5.0 at 400hp. both cars will be equal. mustang may have a slight edge due to weight. Camaro will not change its engine within the next 5 years due to backruptcy. this means mustang will match it and both cars will be great. it will be up to mods and driving skill to determine winner.

I'm not acting like the Camaro is better than the Mustang. I think both cars are great.

I'm not sure you understand the point of bankruptcy. It's to get GM back on the right track to be able to compete. It's not about freezing all improvements to cars, especially if the Camaro turns out to sell well. You cannot know what the future holds for the Camaro and pretending to is silly. If/when the 2011 comes out and there are no changes and the GT bests it, then by all means point it out, but until then there's really no point in comparing two non-existent cars.

I think a competition where we don't want to compare what we have now but what we have in the future is a pointless one.

[TaylorRyanSS]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

Um what 10 articles ?

to name a few... 2 from edmunds, 3 from motortrend, popular mechanics, msn autos.........



ps i have 666 posts ooo scary haha

[Vole182]

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2010/...lls/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2010/...lls/index.html

really when you compare these 2 sites I think Car and Driver got it right...

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by TaylorRyan74

ps i have 666 posts ooo scary haha

Your car looks angry, so you must be the devil.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by Vole182

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2010/...lls/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2010/...lls/index.html

really when you compare these 2 sites I think Car and Driver got it right...

My point exactly.

In the end, its all about what you want. Enjoy the hell out of whatever car you choose and have fun. I know I am.