'10 SS VS '10 GT500

[benjj]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

Wow ...Lets go get our car on EBAY of all things....dude those are LOCAL..one more time LOCAL DEALERSHIPS that I can actually go and touch, feel, and drive the car. WHY in the BLOODY HELL would I buy a car from EBAY ?????

why would we buy a car from miami? just bcuz those are close to YOU does not mean those are close to EVERYONE. also, i did take a look at some of your local dealerships and found nothing but gt/premiums on the lot, thus ebay. so chill, miami isn't known as the cheapest city to live in, i would almost expect a mark-up on nice cars out there

[benjj]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

Lol The Fanboys are strong in this one. Its people like these two who gives this forum the rep is has. BTW N. FT Lauderdale and Boca, and Westpalm is further that 10 miles. W Palm is a Hour from where I live...I just showed examples.

Guess that's why I am glad I own a Ford. I do not have to drive 1~6 hours to another county to find one at a reasonable price.

While I am at it....its even funnier that the people talking crap have less posts and in some cases do not even OWN a camaro..... go figure.

or like people backing up the gt500 when they own a gt? you fail to see the other side in your posts

[KarFan]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

Lol The Fanboys are strong in this one. Its people like these two who gives this forum the rep is has. BTW N. FT Lauderdale and Boca, and Westpalm is further that 10 miles. W Palm is a Hour from where I live...I just showed examples.

Guess that's why I am glad I own a Ford. I do not have to drive 1~6 hours to another county to find one at a reasonable price.

While I am at it....its even funnier that the people talking crap have less posts and in some cases do not even OWN a camaro..... go figure.

Fanboys huh... now what would define some people as that....

I'm not sure how or why this debate went from the track to the dealer price. But the Camaro is in high demand right now and there are orders yet to be filled so the simple economics of that alone would say those unspoken cars will go to the highest bidder. I happen to know from experience that there were similar markups at Ford dealers when the 2005 Mustang hit the streets and at some Dodge dealers when the Challenger came out.
However, I highly doubt that was the case when you bought your GT or how it is currently for the Challenger and will be next year for the Camaro.

Dealers are in the business to make money and buying a car is a negotiation with the MSRP or sticker price being the starting point. What is agreed to be paid from there is up the the buyer and the seller. Numbers on the internet are just that....

What does price have to do with a GT500 and a SS drag race again??

[ironpeddler]

anyone?

[erasedgod]

Originally Posted by KarFan

What does price have to do with a GT500 and a SS drag race again??

The Ford guys are upset that the GT500 doesn't do more for the money. They're trying to pretend that the price gap is smaller than it really is.

[Lee9710]

Well, I do have to agree with one point. I have been posting on here for a long time and have spoken with many, many GT owners and have been told on multiple occasions that it is not a fair race because the SS has 100 more HP. But then they are the first to say the SS should race the GT500 with over 100 HP. Not saying that any on this thread have said that, but it has been all over the forum. If you do price comparison for a drag race competition, you can get a 2009 C6 Corvette for 43k with rebates and incentives. If this is how we classify these cars, the GT vs. SS and GT500 vs. Corvette. I just got the email today from Hendrick Chevy here in NC with the Corvette prices. They also have a ZO6 listed for 50 something with rebates and such. I do agree that the GT500 is an awesome car, and I can speak for Garagelogic on here because I have read alot of his posts, he is not biased on here, just knows it is faster than our SS's. Once again, it is supposed to be. I agree that stock for stock it is a much closer race than it should be, but that just shows the quality of the SS. I have never owned a Ford but the respect for the GT500 is def there. They are both nice cars. But I do truly believe that the GT500 is in the Corvette base model's class and not the SS. I don't care about anything like seat number or anything like that so dont start that stuff all over again. Drag race who you want to, but do it safely, and be prepared to win OR lose because anyone can beat anyone. I have seen a 2005 GTO with slicks take a 2008 GT500 in the 1/4 by .1 secs so no one is immune to losing. Im sure there will be some stock SS's that beat a GT500 every once and awhile, that is just the nature of the game. Dont take everything so personal guys.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by erasedgod

The Ford guys are upset that the GT500 doesn't do more for the money. They're trying to pretend that the price gap is smaller than it really is.

Actually, enthusiasts respect cars for what they are, and don't quibble about the cost. If my buddy beats me in his Renntech SL55, I will say 'nice'. Now, a fanboi will say 'well, yours still costs more than mine, so I win'. LMAO. So, which are you????? Really

[erasedgod]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

Actually, enthusiasts respect cars for what they are, and don't quibble about the cost. If my buddy beats me in his Renntech SL55, I will say 'nice'. Now, a fanboi will say 'well, yours still costs more than mine, so I win'. LMAO. So, which are you????? Really

And people who have to spend their own hard-earned money to get these cars do care about the cost. The GT500 is a great car, but if I can get a car that is almost as good and is in my price range, I'm happy. The only reason you don't care about cost in this case is because the car you're shilling for is not worth the cost.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by erasedgod

And people who have to spend their own hard-earned money to get these cars do care about the cost. The GT500 is a great car, but if I can get a car that is almost as good and is in my price range, I'm happy. The only reason you don't care about cost in this case is because the car you're shilling for is not worth the cost.

Well, we agree that in the Camaro price range, the Camaro is a great buy and would be on top of my list. However, 100% of GT500 buyers could have bought the Camaro and didn't, likely because they felt the GT500 had more value for what they were looking for. They may value items differently than you, nothing wrong with that.

[KarFan]

Well since the Camaro wasn't available for order until 10/08 it would be hard to say that 100% of the GT500 owners could have bought a car that wasn't available. But I know what you meant to say.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

You might not care, but I do. Just because someone else posting here owns a Mustang, it does not mean that we are all "buddies" or hold the same opinions about all things automotive. All you see is a GT500 in my signature and assume I'm a Ford fanboi who's only here to "defend" the Mustang or Ford in general. (BTW, my previous car was a 2006 GTO and I can probably point out the good and bad points of that particular car as well as you could.) I have no control over what anyone else posts here any more than you can control what I post.

I'm sorry you have a problem with all the "Ford" guys posting in threads on the site, but until the mods/admin make it a closed forum to Camaro owners only, then you'll just have to deal with it. I agree with the mods, however, if a user, whether they drive a GM product, Ford or any other make/model, is simply here to "stir the pot" then by all means, the site doesn't need them.

Do I have a problem if I have three newer than 2005?

If you're pretending you're not a Ford fanboy here to stir the pot, you're lying.

I don't mind you and find it amusing, but don't try and pretend like you aren't. Come on, with signature quotes like "They made the GT500 to destroy the competition, too bad there isn't any," you can't honestly say that you're not here to annoy some members who are a bit too sensitive.

Now with that said, I find your posts amusing, but I call a spade a spade.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by benjj

or like people backing up the gt500 when they own a gt? you fail to see the other side in your posts

No the difference is I OWN a GT. I could get a GT500 right now......the difference is my GT puts out 452RWHP, has fully upgraded suspension and looks EXACTLY they way I want it.

The difference is, and you can look up ANY of my posts, I have NEVER put down a camaro unless I was joking, and I even say I am kidding. This convo started because I said I could not find a Camaro for less than about 40k...IN MY AREA. People came here like I was lying, so I showed the proof.

As I have said repeatedly..My friend wants a Camaro..he wants to get one LOCALLY. Driving 6 hours to N Florida is not a option. Its great they are cheaper in other cities...but yet cost more here were I actually LIVE.

Furthermore, I own 2 Mustangs a 65 and a 08GT. I chose not to buy the 07~08GT500. When I was buying my car, I did not want to pay the then markup on that car. Besides that I hated, and still hate the hood on that car, as well at the stock rims. Yes I know EVERYTHING the car brings. I have half of the parts in that car on my GT....regardless if I actually own a GT500 at least I still own a S197 Platform GT FORD. Not a honda, or truck, or 1999 GT but the current platform. So yeah I think I can back up a GT500 easily...

I have said repeatedly that the Camaro vs a GT500 is unfair. The same way I have repeatedly said that because a magazine cannot drive it, do not think the GT500 can barely beat a SS as most of the non-inform camaro guys here think.....If I have said anything different PLEASE PLEASE find it and quote it...I'll wait. I have also said you get more than just "HP" with a GT500...if I have said something different, see above. I will wait....

I think the camaro is a lot of bang for the buck if you can find one at the price its supposed to be...I may not care for the interior, or the visibility, but that's just me. It is still a great car will good looks.

Its the people who cannot accept anyone who does not bow and scrape the ground when camaro is mention or worse when it does not come out on top....Everything said in this thread about the GT500 is true. People who actually go and RACE their car...knows it true. There is a huge difference between the talkers and people who actually hit the track. Sure there are bad drivers. Sure there are guys who can take a 12sec car and only get 14's out of it. But would you actually believe that car is a 14 sec car because of the guy driving it cannot drive ????? That's the point in this thread. That's the point I been trying to make, and that is simply the truth whether some here want to accept it or not.

[alex33x]

Originally Posted by Crowley

LOL ...

FACT: GT500 > 2010 SS .... why keep beating a dead horse !!!!

The SS is in my budget where the GT500 wasn't .. if it was, that is what would be in my garage ..

Crowley

My last car was a 07 Mustang GT supercharged built block, at some point I pushed 700rwhp. Then down tuned it to 525rwhp to get it ready to sell. I spent 17k in parts only for that mustang and paid 28k msrp for it.

I always thought my next car would be a 2010 GT500, until I saw the camaro. The Camaro just feels a lot better than a mustang, the GT500 is in m budget but I havent looked back since I got the Camaro. I rather spend 10k making the Camaro faster than getting a GT500.

This being my first GM car it kinda makes me sad that I might not see cars like this anymore, I hope the camaro keeps coming in a V8 platform and maybe just maybe see a Z28 which would be the only car that would probably make me sell the Camaro lol.

[benjj]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

No the difference is I OWN a GT. I could get a GT500 right now......the difference is my GT puts out 452RWHP, has fully upgraded suspension and looks EXACTLY they way I want it.

The difference is, and you can look up ANY of my posts, I have NEVER put down a camaro unless I was joking, and I even say I am kidding. This convo started because I said I could not find a Camaro for less than about 40k...IN MY AREA. People came here like I was lying, so I showed the proof.

As I have said repeatedly..My friend wants a Camaro..he wants to get one LOCALLY. Driving 6 hours to N Florida is not a option. Its great they are cheaper in other cities...but yet cost more here were I actually LIVE.

Furthermore, I own 2 Mustangs a 65 and a 08GT. I chose not to buy the 07~08GT500. When I was buying my car, I did not want to pay the then markup on that car. Besides that I hated, and still hate the hood on that car, as well at the stock rims. Yes I know EVERYTHING the car brings. I have half of the parts in that car on my GT....regardless if I actually own a GT500 at least I still own a S197 Platform GT FORD. Not a honda, or truck, or 1999 GT but the current platform. So yeah I think I can back up a GT500 easily...

I have said repeatedly that the Camaro vs a GT500 is unfair. The same way I have repeatedly said that because a magazine cannot drive it, do not think the GT500 can barely beat a SS as most of the non-inform camaro guys here think.....If I have said anything different PLEASE PLEASE find it and quote it...I'll wait. I have also said you get more than just "HP" with a GT500...if I have said something different, see above. I will wait....

I think the camaro is a lot of bang for the buck if you can find one at the price its supposed to be...I may not care for the interior, or the visibility, but that's just me. It is still a great car will good looks.

Its the people who cannot accept anyone who does not bow and scrape the ground when camaro is mention or worse when it does not come out on top....Everything said in this thread about the GT500 is true. People who actually go and RACE their car...knows it true. There is a huge difference between the talkers and people who actually hit the track. Sure there are bad drivers. Sure there are guys who can take a 12sec car and only get 14's out of it. But would you actually believe that car is a 14 sec car because of the guy driving it cannot drive ????? That's the point in this thread. That's the point I been trying to make, and that is simply the truth whether some here want to accept it or not.

i agree with a lot of what you are saying here...mostly about taking the gt and making it exactly what you want(i personally prefer you body style over the 2010's anyway).

regarding my replies towards your comments, just bcuz ppl dont have "Drives: 2010 Camaro" in their profile doesn't mean that they don't have any ties to the vehicle. I for one, and like many others on here, have a 2010 on order. just bcuz were not currently driving one right now doesn't mean that we don't eat, sleep, and breathe camaro. were on this site because we love this car.

i agree with you that the camaro vs. gt500 topic is unfair and should only be looked at as sort of a fun jab between the two cars, nothing that should be perceived as the end all be all. two different cars at two different price points.

one last thing, the point i was trying to make with the price points on these cars is that, just because cars around YOU are all marked up doesnt mean that all camaros in general are marked up. you made it like the only way you could have a camaro is if you're willing to pay 10 grand over sticker for it...we have a very lengthy overpriced/msrp dealer listing on this site which i personally used to find a dealer here in az, as i too didn't want to go out of state to avoid getting ripped off.

anyways tho, you got what you wanted and i'll get what i want