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SRT10KLLR · 10-29-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt TuneTime

All mustang dynos have a weather correction factor that can be changed but there is a SAE box to check and if that is. Then your numbers should be very close with in 2-3% where ever they are tested ..

Yes with the right person running it you can have very similar results. But if the load setting was not the same or any other deviation it wold be off a little not nearly as much as comparing a Dynojet to a different type like Mustang, Land and Sea, Dyno Dynamics, etc. though.

BTW, why does Toms River sound familiar? I think Down Ford or Bob at Perfect Power is there or someone I know. Hmmmmmmmmmmm now you got me thinking.

matt55 · 10-29-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SRT10KLLR

Yes with the right person running it you can have very similar results. But if the load setting was not the same or any other deviation it wold be off a little not nearly as much as comparing a Dynojet to a different type like Mustang, Land and Sea, Dyno Dynamics, etc. though.

BTW, why does Toms River sound familiar? I think Down Ford or Bob at Perfect Power is there or someone I know. Hmmmmmmmmmmm now you got me thinking.

Like HP@50mph or vehicle weight settings ?

nuptualnemesis · 10-29-2009, 03:41 PM

An A6 will get greater benefits from a tune than a M6. Stock M6 only picks up 5 or 6hp with tune. The A6 is de-tuned and has torque controls built in to protect the drive train. That is why many A6's wont spin the rear tires.

Check out the camaro SS engine tuning article at http://gmhightechperformance.com
Pull out the torque control, lean out the AFR and decrease the timing retard and you can pick up 54hp at 3,000, about 20-25hp average and over 12hp at peak. They picked up 81 lb-ft of torque at 3,500 and 20-25 lb-ft of torque across the board.

I would assume these changes are increased with after market parts. That kind of increase in performance is worth the risk of voiding the warranty in my book.

Matt TuneTime · 10-29-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by matt55

Like HP@50mph or vehicle weight settings ?

If there with in .5-1.0 on the HP@50 and 250-300lbs on Vehicle weight settings will not change the hp that much 2-5 hp ...

Matt TuneTime · 10-29-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SRT10KLLR

Yes with the right person running it you can have very similar results. But if the load setting was not the same or any other deviation it wold be off a little not nearly as much as comparing a Dynojet to a different type like Mustang, Land and Sea, Dyno Dynamics, etc. though.

BTW, why does Toms River sound familiar? I think Down Ford or Bob at Perfect Power is there or someone I know. Hmmmmmmmmmmm now you got me thinking.

Downs Ford right down the street and SLP is the other way ...

Wacker · 10-30-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by towmoe

Thanks dude, that's all I wanted to know.

LS3

Stock baseline: ~360HP

With headers, exhaust, high flow cats: ~400HP

With headers, exhaust, high flow cats, cam: ~435HP

With headers, exhaust, high flow cats, cam, tune:~462HP

(this is where tuning made a big difference)

BSR-1 · 10-30-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Wacker

LS3

Stock baseline: ~360HP

With headers, exhaust, high flow cats: ~400HP

With headers, exhaust, high flow cats, cam: ~435HP

With headers, exhaust, high flow cats, cam, tune:~462HP

(this is where tuning made a big difference)

so this is all with the stock airbox?

Wacker · 10-31-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BSR-1

so this is all with the stock airbox?

Yep

*TAG UR IT* · 11-01-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Wacker

Yep

Are you planning on adding the Vararam CAI?

Disregard...backed up...see you are going to add one.

I saw your post about the added cam. What cam and specs did you go with? Once the warranty goes on this one, I'm VERY interested in installing a cam and getting a tune. By then, I won't be able to do anything else except add a supercharger.

Wacker · 11-01-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Are you planning on adding the Vararam CAI?

Disregard...backed up...see you are going to add one.

I saw your post about the added cam. What cam and specs did you go with? Once the warranty goes on this one, I'm VERY interested in installing a cam and getting a tune. By then, I won't be able to do anything else except add a supercharger.

Not my car but I can find out for you. I run the L99

Wacker · 11-02-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Are you planning on adding the Vararam CAI?

Disregard...backed up...see you are going to add one.

I saw your post about the added cam. What cam and specs did you go with? Once the warranty goes on this one, I'm VERY interested in installing a cam and getting a tune. By then, I won't be able to do anything else except add a supercharger.

http://www.mastmotorsports.com/page....ory=Engineered Accessories&Section=2010 Camaro Track Packages&id=115

Here is what I got

Wacker · 11-05-2009, 09:30 PM

After some data logging and testing I think I know why the Vararam is producing soo much power and why you see the dip in chuck cows dyno. Have any of you looked at the intake IAT's? They are ridiculous, especially after a header install. I am seeing 130-150 at idle with an ambient of 55! My IAT's don't drop below 100 until 75+ MPH!! The car is clearly pulling timing with those types of temps. The tables in the ECM are designed to pull based on certain IAT's. They can be manipulated, but be careful because you can find yourself in the knock sensor real fast. If you put on an intake that CLEARLY draws in ambient air, then you will surely lower IAT's by a significant number. The lowering of the IAT's will allow for the manipulation of the timing tables to a point where IMO you could see a 30+ HP increase! This is why the Vararam/New Era WILL outperform any CAI on the market. And this is why, no matter which version (tune/no tune) you decide to by, you should ABSOLUTELY tune it to maximize timing/HP. The dip you see on the dyno is because the car was tuned for driving and while stationary it was forced to pull timing because of the IAT increase IMHO.

Kyle2k · 11-05-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wacker

After some data logging and testing I think I know why the Vararam is producing soo much power and why you see the dip in chuck cows dyno. Have any of you looked at the intake IAT's? They are ridiculous, especially after a header install. I am seeing 130-150 at idle with an ambient of 55! My IAT's don't drop below 100 until 75+ MPH!! The car is clearly pulling timing with those types of temps. The tables in the ECM are designed to pull based on certain IAT's. They can be manipulated, but be careful because you can find yourself in the knock sensor real fast. If you put on an intake that CLEARLY draws in ambient air, then you will surely lower IAT's by a significant number. The lowering of the IAT's will allow for the manipulation of the timing tables to a point where IMO you could see a 30+ HP increase! This is why the Vararam/New Era WILL outperform any CAI on the market. And this is why, no matter which version (tune/no tune) you decide to by, you should ABSOLUTELY tune it to maximize timing/HP. The dip you see on the dyno is because the car was tuned for driving and while stationary it was forced to pull timing because of the IAT increase IMHO.

On the stock airbox or?

I recall the New Era having the lowest and steady IAT's too btw (same basic concept as vararam)

Wacker · 11-05-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

On the stock airbox or?

I recall the New Era having the lowest and steady IAT's too btw (same basic concept as vararam)

Stock box

11-05-2009, 09:30 PM	#110
Wacker INTHECLOUDS Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NM Posts: 912	After some data logging and testing I think I know why the Vararam is producing soo much power and why you see the dip in chuck cows dyno. Have any of you looked at the intake IAT's? They are ridiculous, especially after a header install. I am seeing 130-150 at idle with an ambient of 55! My IAT's don't drop below 100 until 75+ MPH!! The car is clearly pulling timing with those types of temps. The tables in the ECM are designed to pull based on certain IAT's. They can be manipulated, but be careful because you can find yourself in the knock sensor real fast. If you put on an intake that CLEARLY draws in ambient air, then you will surely lower IAT's by a significant number. The lowering of the IAT's will allow for the manipulation of the timing tables to a point where IMO you could see a 30+ HP increase! This is why the Vararam/New Era WILL outperform any CAI on the market. And this is why, no matter which version (tune/no tune) you decide to by, you should ABSOLUTELY tune it to maximize timing/HP. The dip you see on the dyno is because the car was tuned for driving and while stationary it was forced to pull timing because of the IAT increase IMHO. __________________ 2010 IOM 2SS/RS A6, Tuned by Me, ARH/NoCats, Borla Touring, Vararam CAI, G-Force 9" with 4.10's, Circle D 4500K, (Skinnies/Slicks, and Bogarts all around 24MPG 11.39 @ 118 510 DA www.6l80tuning.com www.6l90tuning.com

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nuptualnemesis NuptualNemesis Drives: Silver 1SS M6 - 480hp 11.57/120.79 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Baton Rouge, LA www.Divorcefor399.com Posts: 310 View My Garage	An A6 will get greater benefits from a tune than a M6. Stock M6 only picks up 5 or 6hp with tune. The A6 is de-tuned and has torque controls built in to protect the drive train. That is why many A6's wont spin the rear tires. Check out the camaro SS engine tuning article at http://gmhightechperformance.com Pull out the torque control, lean out the AFR and decrease the timing retard and you can pick up 54hp at 3,000, about 20-25hp average and over 12hp at peak. They picked up 81 lb-ft of torque at 3,500 and 20-25 lb-ft of torque across the board. I would assume these changes are increased with after market parts. That kind of increase in performance is worth the risk of voiding the warranty in my book.