Camaro V6 RS V.S. Challenger R/T

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by Stew

That said, I think there are 2 issues with the 6 speed from my reading and research, a somewhatlong throw shifter and the most major issue seems to be wheelhop.

I've only raced two Challengers from a dig, and I ate them up. They were both 6-speeds. And this was before I had my drag radials. Based on my experience and what I've read online, it does seem the 6-speed Challengers are very tough to launch.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by mjf6866

well, that could take much more time than i'm willing to devote online looking for stock dyno pulls over the past year and a half to prove my point, so i guess i have to gracefully bow out. trust me on this though, it was a lot more than 2 sheets. like i said, i didnt believe it until i saw one after another all within the same range.

i can see how i look like the ultimate challenger fanboy, guys, i really do. its hard to trust the competition!

No need to apologize cause I'll take your word for it, I guess you have no reason to lie lol.

[mjf6866]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

I've only raced two Challengers from a dig, and I ate them up. They were both 6-speeds. And this was before I had my drag radials. Based on my experience and what I've read online, it does seem the 6-speed Challengers are very tough to launch.

INDEED. i can vouch for that! the wheelhop is 50/50 for me. sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesnt. weird.

[mjf6866]

Originally Posted by a_Username

No need to apologize cause I'll take your word for it, I guess you have no reason to lie lol.

i would if i were a typical fanboy. i'd tell you that the challenger could outhandle the SS and beat the new 5.0 GT in the 1/4!

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

I've only raced two Challengers from a dig, and I ate them up. They were both 6-speeds. And this was before I had my drag radials. Based on my experience and what I've read online, it does seem the 6-speed Challengers are very tough to launch.

I like Dodges excuse, apparently some guys on challengertalk met up or had some kind of clinic with the engineers and they stated that their target customer (98% of their customer base according to them)) is more interested in a good ride on long interstate trips and will put up with wheelhop. That kind of worries me because this is a pony car and a lot of their owners are going to be running those beasts, ESPECIALLY the midlevel R/T.

[YLWJKT]

Let's face it, the Mustangs hop too.
Weird thing is, not ALL Challengers hop. I've never had that issue (yet, knock on wood)
At least it can be fixed on either model.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by Stew

I like Dodges excuse, apparently some guys on challengertalk met up or had some kind of clinic with the engineers and they stated that their target customer (98% of their customer base according to them)) is more interested in a good ride on long interstate trips and will put up with wheelhop. That kind of worries me because this is a pony car and a lot of their owners are going to be running those beasts, ESPECIALLY the midlevel R/T.

Exactly, I bought the midlevel Mustang and I knew I was gonna be racing it.

There are reasons why Chrysler is in the shape they are in. They are not known for good customer service.

[mjf6866]

Originally Posted by Stew

I like Dodges excuse, apparently some guys on challengertalk met up or had some kind of clinic with the engineers and they stated that their target customer (98% of their customer base according to them)) is more interested in a good ride on long interstate trips and will put up with wheelhop. That kind of worries me because this is a pony car and a lot of their owners are going to be running those beasts, ESPECIALLY the midlevel R/T.

wow, thats F'd up. i didnt hear about that. i was thinking on looking into those "hop-not" kits which supposedly completly eliminate hop. i just want to wait until enough people have them on and can prove to me that it doesnt create stress elsewhere and lead to more problems down the road. from the guys that already have them on, they say it really helps with traction at launch and also eliminates some of the body roll the R/T has.

the thing is, this should come from the factory like that. shouldnt have to buy a kit to eliminate it.

you got that right, 1bad65. customer service could use some work!

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Exactly, I bought the midlevel Mustang and I knew I was gonna be racing it.

There are reasons why Chrysler is in the shape they are in. They are not known for good customer service.

I think all the big 3 have CS issues. I was reading about the fiasco going on right now with all the 5.0s being held for quality control and how impossible it was for anyone to get any info. I know the dealership where I got my Jeep was a Ford Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep dealership (just Ford now) and they were pretty sucky. IMHO, the dealerships really need to be cracked down on especially when it comes to service, though from what I have heard Toyota is even worse than the big 3.

[2SSARMY]

Every Chevy dealership I have gone to is pretty awesome... Then again I went to a dodge dealership once too and their CS was extremely good.

Now if you want to talk about crappy customer service, go to a Mercedes dealership. They downright rob you and do the worse jobs ever.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Stew

I think all the big 3 have CS issues. I was reading about the fiasco going on right now with all the 5.0s being held for quality control and how impossible it was for anyone to get any info. I know the dealership where I got my Jeep was a Ford Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep dealership (just Ford now) and they were pretty sucky. IMHO, the dealerships really need to be cracked down on especially when it comes to service, though from what I have heard Toyota is even worse than the big 3.

the hold was weeks ago and it didn't last long at all. It wasn't like where it was delay after delay (cough ... cough... camaro... cough).

Seriously though, keeping something like that really isn't "Customer Service" related per se. Customer service would be more important on taking care of problems AFTER the customer has received said product.

[8cd03gro]

I've heard about more than just one delay with the '11 mustangs. I'm not sure what is hearsay and what is true, but I've heard about 6's and 5.0's being held.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

the hold was weeks ago and it didn't last long at all. It wasn't like where it was delay after delay (cough ... cough... camaro... cough).

Seriously though, keeping something like that really isn't "Customer Service" related per se. Customer service would be more important on taking care of problems AFTER the customer has received said product.

I was reading on themustangsource.com from upset buyers because there is a huge hold and all they can get from customer service is that they don't why and don't know when the cars will be shipped. This is a new hold and apparently there are hundreds of 5.0s sitting at a dock waiting to be shipped. It is good they are doing the quality control, but I would be irked too if I couldn't get a stright answer of what is going on or when I will my car. Of course when the 09 Challengers came out with the additional models there was a lot of issues with people getting their cars too and not able to get their info on what was going one. It is a few things that still need to be worked on imho.

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by Wandering Scot

Let's face it, the Mustangs hop too.
Weird thing is, not ALL Challengers hop. I've never had that issue (yet, knock on wood)
At least it can be fixed on either model.

Not really because Ford still uses the solid rear axle in the Mustang. When you start launching cars with IRS pretty hard, that's when you seem to get the wheel hop issues. A lot of the guys that bought 03-04 Cobras did the rear axle swap for this exact reason.