Pit Bull Kills Pregnant Owner

[Ladybugsmom]

When I purchased my dogs, each breeder included in the contract stipulations about how the dog was to be raised, including training (and because my Shepherd isn't show quality, neutering). The breeder reserved the right to take the dog back if I didn't follow the contract. I bought from responsible breeders, and I have great dogs. Too bad all breeders aren't like that.

[HufferSS]

We could do all that....OR...we could just have some real consequences for the actions of your pet. If an owner allows a pet to get out of their yard and it kills someone then they are responsible and should be charged CRIMINALLY.

Pits are amazing dogs. People usually not that impressive.

[CC Performance]

The problem is its a dangerous dog. The jaw power and the mental stigmatics that wont let them stop once they start.

Dogs are how you train them to be although some are more predisposition-ed to being more of a wild dog because they are only one step from it....

The issue with Pits are the people who own them and the breeders who over breed them and inbreeding.

Pits are massive money makers for breeders and gang bangers and insecure people love them as weapons... so you have what we have.... an unstable breed brought on by over-breeding and insecure owners.. The dog can be very sweet and to be honest I think German Shepard's attack more people but its isn't usually fatal where a pit-bull will go until the object is dead...

another ... dogs in a pack behave different... two pits are more dangerous to have than just one... dogs have a hierarchy and its determined by force..

So of course people don't have just one dog that can kill them they have 2 or 3...
Jessie from the TV show who's daughter was mauled to death had 3 or 4 of them running around in his yard when they attacked and killed his daughter...

Its unfortunate that the breed takes the blame but we have laws to protect people from themselves for a reason.. I agree with most of the bans.. Its unfortunate but it is what it is.

[PQ]

It's a tough one for sure.

Stiffer penalties for owners on dog attacks don't help the people that were attacked. And only creates another person in the jail or prison system that otherwise would not be. Not everyone with a pit, rot, or other dog that attacked and mamed or killed someone is irresponsible or even a bad person at all. Not even a dumb person. Just wasn't informed.

I didn't know any of this. I trained my dog the old fashioned way. Pain as a deterent. Only took three or four times getting whacked with a golf club and he'd learned all he needed to know. (the handle side of the club, and not hard, just enough to sting a little) After that, you NEVER need to do it again. The dog is smart enough to understand the chain of command after that.

But had that been a Pit, I might have created a problem. And I could end up in prison or jail for something I had no idea about.

Nobody ever checks up on dogs that are sold. WAY too many to check on.

[CC Performance]

Originally Posted by PQ

It's a tough one for sure.

Stiffer penalties for owners on dog attacks don't help the people that were attacked. And only creates another person in the jail or prison system that otherwise would not be. Not everyone with a pit, rot, or other dog that attacked and mamed or killed someone is irresponsible or even a bad person at all. Not even a dumb person. Just wasn't informed.

I didn't know any of this. I trained my dog the old fashioned way. Pain as a deterent. Only took three or four times getting whacked with a golf club and he'd learned all he needed to know. (the handle side of the club, and not hard, just enough to sting a little) After that, you NEVER need to do it again. The dog is smart enough to understand the chain of command after that.

But had that been a Pit, I might have created a problem. And I could end up in prison or jail for something I had no idea about.

Nobody ever checks up on dogs that are sold. WAY too many to check on.

When people can buy guns as easy as they can there is no hope for regulating a perceived dangerous dog...

I bought a book and learned how to train my dog before getting the dog...

I have a Newfoundland, about 140 lbs.. its a respect thing between him and I that gets him to do what I want and obey my every word... 98% of the dog owning public has no idea how to properly handle a dog....

heck if they weren't so small those lap dogs would be the number one killer of people.. no one ever trains them properly because they are easily out muscled.. but dogs need respect to give respect... feeding , exercise and attention are how its done.. dogs want to belong and they just need to be taught the rules ... just like a person.. but they cant talk to you and tell you what they need... you have to know and thats accomplished by training of the owner just like the dog.. dogs act up when their needs aren't met.. in a way they are just like a 3 yr old child.. they get smarter as time goes on.. but they have the emotions of a 3yr old kid

[oyealiz]

Originally Posted by PQ

Nobody ever checks up on dogs that are sold. WAY too many to check on.

I'd doubt, too, that very few agreements as to what the new owner will do with the dog are ever really followed up on.

I'm not in favor of yet another law, though, just to try to "fix" this problem. At some point, we have to realize that it's darn near impossible to have regulations that MAKE people be responsible! Let me rephrase that: we can have the regulations, but it's hard to make people be responsible!

Talk about playing Big Brother! And we don't need to be adding any more costs to the public budgets.

[CC Performance]

Sheesh.... just pulled from todays headlines
http://northportland.katu.com/news/n...kills-pit-bull

[oyealiz]

Originally Posted by CC Performance

Sheesh.... just pulled from todays headlines
http://northportland.katu.com/news/n...kills-pit-bull

Holy conflicting stories, Batman!

[Berean]

Originally Posted by oyealiz

Talk about playing Big Brother! And we don't need to be adding any more costs to the public budgets.

In the end, you can't save people from their own stupidity. All you end up doing is make life harder for smart people, and waste money.

[oyealiz]

Originally Posted by Berean

In the end, you can't save people from their own stupidity. All you end up doing is make life harder for smart people, and waste money.

Exactly. Well worded.

[CC Performance]

Originally Posted by oyealiz

Holy conflicting stories, Batman!

yeah its crazy... she also says they used a stun gun on the guy and they say they didn't so ........ take her word for what its worth ... hard to hide a stun gun usage on a 61 year old man but who knows... there is a definite rift between the police and people of some parts of the city out here.... hard to believe either side to be honest

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Berean

In the end, you can't save people from their own stupidity. All you end up doing is make life harder for smart people, and waste money.

Problem is saving an unsuspecting inoccent person from the stupidity of someone else and their killer dog.

But, ya, another meaningless, hard to enforce law that gets inoccent people who are not meant for the spirit of the law, is not the answer.

Doesn't change the fact that I have to do inventory and orders today.

[TFord]

yeah thats a very conflicting story... personally I think it may be bs, simply because he states "the officer pushed the dog off him." there's no pushing off an attacking pit bull. They're far too determined, and powerful to simply be pushed off. I think it was more likely he was one of those people who dislike or are intemidated by pits. Like I said your not pushing off an attacking pit bull. hell you'll have a hard time pushing off a playing pit.

[nUcLeArEnVoY]

This is why I run house cats. I don't care if they won't save me from drowning... they won't do the opposite either. Feels better to EARN a cat's love and admiration too, because that's exactly what you have to do with one.

Most of all, a lot more convenient too. ;P