My new OBX headers :-)

[11TexaSS]

That sounds like a plan!! How about we throw the Stainless Power in the mix too! That I would like to see.

[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by c_LoW29

There you go! When I first bought this car my buddy who builds LSx engines told me this "get on ebay and buy a set of ceramic coated Pacesetter headers, they are just as good as any other at a fraction of the price" I feel like just because this car is so new in the market every company tries to rape you on aftermarket parts. I see why a lot of people buy mustangs not much has changed in them for years so the aftermarket cant get marked up. Now if MarylandSpeed offered free tuning like other vendors I woiuld be all over a set of their headers.

Yep, this isn't rocket science. We are talking about metal tubes bent and weded together. And, whether they are made from aircraft stainless or regular stainless, either will last through the next ice age. Long, long, long after the car has rotted away ...lol.

I think im gonna start selling titanium/stainless/carbonfiber super headers. Ill make a commercial in time lapse photography. You'll see a car sitting on street with buildings all around. Then the time lapse will start, 100 years, 500 years, 1000 years and as all the buildings become engulfed in plant life so does the car. Humans are long gone and mother nature takes back the streets and buildings. Now the next ice age starts and whats left of the car becomes encased in 100' of ice for 10,000 years. Next the ice thaws and the tiny bit of car that is left is now under a ocean. When the water finally subsides all that's left on a grassy hill is a set of headers. My slogan will be "$3000 for headers but they'll last 300,000 years"

[Badbubba]

Originally Posted by c_LoW29

That may be true but a lot of our factory parts are not american steel.

On average, GM uses 900 lbs of American made steel per vehicle from the corporation for which I work. I do not know the amounts of steel that our American competitors supply to GM.

Originally Posted by PIPE

China steel is no comparison to AMERICAN steel Period.

ss/rs-matt, I was very interested in the ARH headers and exhaust system, wanting to keep everything matched and for no drone. But, the OBX price is very appealing. They look great and seem to perform well. I might roll the dice with OBX and the stock exhaust and hope for no drone. Why is it (rhetorical) that the vendors bash them? I have yet to read a thread from OBX owners stating not to buy these headers.

[Etherij]

Originally Posted by ss/rs-matt

Yep, this isn't rocket science. We are talking about metal tubes bent and weded together. And, whether they are made from aircraft stainless or regular stainless, either will last through the next ice age. Long, long, long after the car has rotted away ...lol.

I think im gonna start selling titanium/stainless/carbonfiber super headers. Ill make a commercial in time lapse photography. You'll see a car sitting on street with buildings all around. Then the time lapse will start, 100 years, 500 years, 1000 years and as all the buildings become engulfed in plant life so does the car. Humans are long gone and mother nature takes back the streets and buildings. Now the next ice age starts and whats left of the car becomes encased in 100' of ice for 10,000 years. Next the ice thaws and the tiny bit of car that is left is now under a ocean. When the water finally subsides all that's left on a grassy hill is a set of headers. My slogan will be "$3000 for headers but they'll last 300,000 years"

[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by Badbubba

On average, GM uses 900 lbs of American made steel per vehicle from the corporation for which I work. I do not know the amounts of steel that our American competitors supply to GM.






ss/rs-matt, I was very interested in the ARH headers and exhaust system, wanting to keep everything matched and for no drone. But, the OBX price is very appealing. They look great and seem to perform well. I might roll the dice with OBX and the stock exhaust and hope for no drone. Why is it (rhetorical) that the vendors bash them? I have yet to read a thread from OBX owners stating not to buy these headers.

Well as far as drone goes, don't buy headers based on that. Drone is controlled by the cat back system. Basically what drone is, is the exhaust pulses osculating at a certain frequency that our bodies and ears become in tune with. Its somewhere around 1800rpm, and feels like your ears are ringing kinda. Its hard to explain the experience it self. There are some cat back systems that claim to reduce this with special bends, j pipes, etc. Basically they are cancelling out the exhaust pulses with each other.

Not all vendors bash OBX, I bought these from a forum vendor/sponsor, Erik @ lashway motorsports. Other vendors don't seem to like them because they claim to be cheap copies of kooks. I think its because there is a very small profit margin on them. I would not be surprised though if more start selling these. I mean 2 years ago it was taboo to put any budget friendly header on. Now we have the TSP chinese header, the Stainless power chinese header and OBX. Btw, no one has proven these are made in china.

Hope that helps.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192692

[2010 4 DW]

Originally Posted by ss/rs-matt

Well as far as drone goes, don't buy headers based on that. Drone is controlled by the cat back system. Basically what drone is, is the exhaust pulses osculating at a certain frequency that our bodies and ears become in tune with. Its somewhere around 1800rpm, and feels like your ears are ringing kinda. Its hard to explain the experience it self. There are some cat back systems that claim to reduce this with special bends, j pipes, etc. Basically they are cancelling out the exhaust pulses with each other.

Not all vendors bash OBX, I bought these from a forum vendor/sponsor, Erik @ lashway motorsports. Other vendors don't seem to like them because they claim to be cheap copies of kooks. I think its because there is a very small profit margin on them. I would not be surprised though if more start selling these. I mean 2 years ago it was taboo to put any budget friendly header on. Now we have the TSP chinese header, the Stainless power chinese header and OBX. Btw, no one has proven these are made in china.

Hope that helps.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192692

OBX is made in China and has been for the last 10+ years. They have been coping headers for many years and if the OBX part is what's best for you then buy it and enjoy the part.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...All-Categories

[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by 2010 4 DW

OBX is made in China and has been for the last 10+ years. They have been coping headers for many years and if the OBX part is what's best for you then buy it and enjoy the part.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...All-Categories

Thanks. I am very happy with my purchase. Question though? What is the meaning of the link? Lots of things are sold on ebay, that doesn't mean they are made in china.

http://shop.mobileweb.ebay.com/searc...eaders&x=0&y=0

Just saying...

[Hicompression]

Originally Posted by ss/rs-matt

I was going to suggest that too. No doubt in my mind I would of bought them from Maryland speed. He could do some really great "power packages" with OBX headers.

Ain't gonna happen. Kooks probably has him on a tight leash....

[MarylandSpeed]

Originally Posted by Hicompression

Ain't gonna happen. Kooks probably has him on a tight leash....

A tight leash? Really? More like it would but nonsensical and unethical for me to sell blatent rip offs of a product I already sell? If Kooks came out with some overseas headers, I would sell them. We sell Stainless Power. I am just not a fan of the rip someone of, make in China, dump on ebay business model.

[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

A tight leash? Really? More like it would but nonsensical and unethical for me to sell blatent rip offs of a product I already sell? If Kooks came out with some overseas headers, I would sell them. We sell Stainless Power. I am just not a fan of the rip someone of, make in China, dump on ebay business model.

Has kooks ever considered making a more reasonably priced header? Im sure they would sell great.

[Weezerj]

Originally Posted by ss/rs-matt

No problem! I paid $679 for everything shipped to my door.

How did you get $679 shipped? Is there a coupon code I didn't see or did you have to call direct?

[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by Weezerj

How did you get $679 shipped? Is there a coupon code I didn't see or did you have to call direct?

I called Erik.

[Hicompression]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

A tight leash? Really? More like it would but nonsensical and unethical for me to sell blatent rip offs of a product I already sell? If Kooks came out with some overseas headers, I would sell them. We sell Stainless Power. I am just not a fan of the rip someone of, make in China, dump on ebay business model.

Are you sure it's not the fact that if you sell OBX, Kooks will drop you as a distributor? Hmmm? Most companies are very touchy about their distributors selling competitor's products. I bet they wouldn't be happy. If you tell me they wouldn't care and the only reason you won't sell them is because you think they are made in China...frankly sir, I wouldn't believe you. You are a for-profit business.

I guarantee you, you could sell 3 sets of OBX longtubess for every pair of Kooks you sell. But then again, you have tunnel vision in regard to this issue.

[MarylandSpeed]

Originally Posted by ss/rs-matt

Has kooks ever considered making a more reasonably priced header? Im sure they would sell great.

We have discussed it. The issue always comes back that it has to be made overseas, which is a big leap for a company that prides itself on making stuff in the US. When SW started making Stainless Power headers overseas people started posting stuff like "I wonder how much of their advertised as american made stuff will be made their too?"

Originally Posted by Hicompression

Are you sure it's not the fact that if you sell OBX, Kooks will drop you as a distributor? Hmmm? Most companies are very touchy about their distributors selling competitor's products. I bet they wouldn't be happy. If you tell me they wouldn't care and the only reason you won't sell them is because you think they are made in China...frankly sir, I wouldn't believe you. You are a for-profit business.

We are their biggest distributer and that is through a shared relationship. It is in neither of our interests for me to sell a knock off of their product. It's like asking Sunglass Hut why they don't sell fake Oakleys. That does not mean we are not investigating ways to leverage Kooks design know how into a more affordable header.

I guarantee you, you could sell 3 sets of OBX longtubess for every pair of Kooks you sell. But then again, you have tunnel vision in regard to this issue.

That's a bit of a reach. There are plenty of people out there who will only mod their cars with nice stuff, and don't compromise quality. My own cars only get nothing but the best. Really by your logic, I should sell three $250 K&N intakes for every $400 CAI intake since they make the same power..only difference is quality. The true barometer in my mind is the Stainless Power headers. Everyone said.."Oh if a big name header company made a header overseas and dropped the price..it will sell like hot cakes". That is not the reality however..we have only sold one set, and never get calls on them like we do all the other brands. It's funny..people see a $600 set of headers on ebay and jump at it because it is a deal. After all, Kooks headers are like $1500 right (which is way high). However when presented with a set of overseas made Stainlessworks for the same $600-700 price...but a 2 year warranty..people suddenly realize it is only a few hundred more for an American made part and life time warranty and suddenly find the extra money. Strange how the mind works.