Dealership Closure List? Do we have one yet?

[KJS]

Originally Posted by chevydude26

first of all i like the analogy fbod made about the dealers...

now on to all of you guys talking about the japanese "outdid" us....nonsenese!!!

Legacy costs did them in....c.a.f.e standards did them in....industry that has a union always seems to be in trouble....thats not a coincidence!!

corporate greed and big business??? stop it the japanese companies pay almost half in total costs which give them the ability to have cheaper cars and or better quality materials...which makes it more difficult for gm to compete

look at maria bartiromo explain exactly how gm is in this position i suggest you all watch this video

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...american-dream

Asian automakers have to meet the same CAFE and safety standards, etc. Its the same for every manufacturer who sells cars in the US. "Legacy"? Not sure what you mean, but if legacy means doing "the same old" with "the same old" (lack of attention to detail/quality, technology, marketing, senior management, lack of dealership oversight, greedy management and unions), then you're right.

Long after the foreign manufacturers proved the could deliver quality and dependable cars and trucks that the customers wanted they got a foot hold because they avoided all the legacy issues mentioned above. Then they were smart enough to get tax, energy, etc. breaks from the states they relocated their manufacturing ops to.

"Loyalty". There is no loyalty - any where, any more. Not in pro sports, not to a brand, not in any industry. Employees putting in 20+ years to a company and getting laid off (including GM!), where is the loyalty? On the other side of the coin, do you keep someone when clearly there is no work just because he's been loyal for 20+ years? There is no clear or best answer, but do not play the loyalty to "American Manufacturing" card.

Yea, we've heard that money foreign manufacturers make goes to the corp headquarters overseas. And American auto manufacturers profits go to...oh that's right, there are no profits - they're asking for a GOVERNMENT BAIL OUT! FROM OUR TAX DOLLARS! Over half the components put into "foreign cars" sold in the US are "Made in America", so they are employing hundreds of thousands of Americans. They're paying taxes.

GM is a bloated monolith. Its senior management is insular and out of touch with reality. Taking corporate jets to a meeting for a government bail out - perfect example. It has failed because of its size. Its too big and has failed to change, failed to control their front men, the "dealerships". And like any other organization that fails to recognize change, respond to it, respond to their customers, they will be replaced by those who can. Its called the survival of the fittest. Its as basic as that.

[franknbeans]

seems like my dealership is safe for now.

[StangKiller-SS]

Passed by a couple of Chevy dealerships on Rt 50 on MD's eastern shore this week & both were shut down.

[ljustin293]

Originally Posted by jim thompson

we are alive and fine here and hope to be here another 52 years

also just pre-ordered our 39th camaro yesterday!!!!

yall keep on buying and referring and supporting please

39????

[shinzon]

FACT - RIGHT NOW i OWN 2 Trailblazers and 1 camaro ss

However, How can you blame people for not buying American ? We are all trying to get by and there are ALOT of factors going into buying a car.

like RESALE, you cannot tellme that the rate of Depreciation is the same for Honda- Toyota vs. GM

You know...I have purchased over the last 8 years from GM ( 2 Trailblazers, 1 Avalanche, 2 Camaros, 1 GTO, 1 Firebird ) That is alot of cars.

Scott you say people need to think We , We , We..... Did GM think that way ? As Mis-Mangement flew they corporate Jets to DC to ask for money ? As they bumbled through the 80's and early ninties with their FWD cars or crap ?

Don't blame Consumers for your companies downright ignorance and mismanagement.

Furthermore, if GM is concerned about We We We, where is my Loyalty rebate ? 7 cars in eight years. I wiah I had bought a 4runner and an Odessey cause the I wouldn't be upside down on two Trailblazers.

We,We, We .... right and that is the our so called Goverment acting in our best intrests too...We,We,We right....

Sorry Scott, that sales pitch just don't fly by me right now, I am think ME and MY FAMILY. NOTHING ELSE. Nor do I think buying a car from a company that will go chapter 11 in 3 weeks or less a good idea. As GM modifies contracts and obligations, I really feelmy Warrenty is safe, as well ,I am sure I willget the best service from a dealership that know's it time is done, and furthermore as the atrition takes place on dealership and service at the dealerships gets more and more crowded it will be really convienent for me to get service.

I dunno poor GM, poor Everyone, A lot of people have mortgages and do their 9-5, save for college, food shop every week, pay their cell phone etc.

I am looking out for ME, cause don't fool yourselves here on this one, That is the AMERICAN WAY, cause that is what the GM DEALERSHIPS do / did as they put on their adjusted market value or low ball you on a trade... time for your medicine

awww fudge this, why did I bother

[lakersftbl69]

Originally Posted by Vash

I would rather have a strong smaller Chevrolet than a large one that's bleeding money.

It's like the movie stripes. Building a Lean mean, fighting machine.

Still think they need to merge GMC into Chevrolet. Time to end the multibranding and build two strong houses. Chevy for most models and Caddy for the Lux. With only a few models but all damn good ones.
That GMC grill look is not worth a whole entire brand name...

agreed

[fastball]

Shinzon, your comments I think are what most people in America are thinking about GM right now. I think you are dead on.

[shinzon]

Originally Posted by fastball

Shinzon, your comments I think are what most people in America are thinking about GM right now. I think you are dead on.

I wish I did not feel this way... but what I have seen over the last 8 years...

enron, katrina, the financial crisis, Home Values, foreclosures, iraq war, the oil price roller coaster, the automotive crisis, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON !!!!!!!

I am taking care of my own, not a damn thing more, cause NOT ONE PERSON, INCLUDING MY GOVERMENT WILL LOOK OUT FOR ME>

We, We, We..........classic what a crock........."SHOW ME , Don't Tell ME..." (rush)

Where is my loyalty rebate ?

[Sinergy]

The growing number of workers living longer and having benefits paid to them, the ungodly salaries paid to management, and the salaries and benefits paid to hourly workers, including that asinine policy of paying off-loaded employees 80% of their salary while they wait for a call back can't compete with foreign corporations. And don't forget greedy corporations outsourcing jobs and importing cheap labor have got us into this situation. Until that changes, I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel.....only more tunnel.

[cyberbro]

Originally Posted by shinzon

FACT - RIGHT NOW i OWN 2 Trailblazers and 1 camaro ss

However, How can you blame people for not buying American ? We are all trying to get by and there are ALOT of factors going into buying a car.

like RESALE, you cannot tellme that the rate of Depreciation is the same for Honda- Toyota vs. GM

You know...I have purchased over the last 8 years from GM ( 2 Trailblazers, 1 Avalanche, 2 Camaros, 1 GTO, 1 Firebird ) That is alot of cars.

Scott you say people need to think We , We , We..... Did GM think that way ? As Mis-Mangement flew they corporate Jets to DC to ask for money ? As they bumbled through the 80's and early ninties with their FWD cars or crap ?

Don't blame Consumers for your companies downright ignorance and mismanagement.

Furthermore, if GM is concerned about We We We, where is my Loyalty rebate ? 7 cars in eight years. I wiah I had bought a 4runner and an Odessey cause the I wouldn't be upside down on two Trailblazers.

We,We, We .... right and that is the our so called Goverment acting in our best intrests too...We,We,We right....

Sorry Scott, that sales pitch just don't fly by me right now, I am think ME and MY FAMILY. NOTHING ELSE. Nor do I think buying a car from a company that will go chapter 11 in 3 weeks or less a good idea. As GM modifies contracts and obligations, I really feelmy Warrenty is safe, as well ,I am sure I willget the best service from a dealership that know's it time is done, and furthermore as the atrition takes place on dealership and service at the dealerships gets more and more crowded it will be really convienent for me to get service.

I dunno poor GM, poor Everyone, A lot of people have mortgages and do their 9-5, save for college, food shop every week, pay their cell phone etc.

I am looking out for ME, cause don't fool yourselves here on this one, That is the AMERICAN WAY, cause that is what the GM DEALERSHIPS do / did as they put on their adjusted market value or low ball you on a trade... time for your medicine

awww fudge this, why did I bother

+1

[chevydude26]

Originally Posted by KJS

Asian automakers have to meet the same CAFE and safety standards, etc. Its the same for every manufacturer who sells cars in the US. "Legacy"? Not sure what you mean, but if legacy means doing "the same old" with "the same old" (lack of attention to detail/quality, technology, marketing, senior management, lack of dealership oversight, greedy management and unions), then you're right.

Long after the foreign manufacturers proved the could deliver quality and dependable cars and trucks that the customers wanted they got a foot hold because they avoided all the legacy issues mentioned above. Then they were smart enough to get tax, energy, etc. breaks from the states they relocated their manufacturing ops to.

"Loyalty". There is no loyalty - any where, any more. Not in pro sports, not to a brand, not in any industry. Employees putting in 20+ years to a company and getting laid off (including GM!), where is the loyalty? On the other side of the coin, do you keep someone when clearly there is no work just because he's been loyal for 20+ years? There is no clear or best answer, but do not play the loyalty to "American Manufacturing" card.

Yea, we've heard that money foreign manufacturers make goes to the corp headquarters overseas. And American auto manufacturers profits go to...oh that's right, there are no profits - they're asking for a GOVERNMENT BAIL OUT! FROM OUR TAX DOLLARS! Over half the components put into "foreign cars" sold in the US are "Made in America", so they are employing hundreds of thousands of Americans. They're paying taxes.

GM is a bloated monolith. Its senior management is insular and out of touch with reality. Taking corporate jets to a meeting for a government bail out - perfect example. It has failed because of its size. Its too big and has failed to change, failed to control their front men, the "dealerships". And like any other organization that fails to recognize change, respond to it, respond to their customers, they will be replaced by those who can. Its called the survival of the fittest. Its as basic as that.

how do you not know what legacy costs are...please don't address me if you don't know the facts...

unfortunately about 30 to 40 years ago gm had a pretty big marketshare and the management never foresaw competition that would occur decades later

so horrible agreements were made with the unions who are practically run by tony sopranos where workers would be paid for not working for almost the rest of their life...theres a program where if you get laid off you get paid almost your whole salary until another job somewhere else opens up

anyway bottom line this alone makes the avg cost of labor for gm to be double that of toyota and the other foreign competitors...not to mention gm has to pay tariffs in japan and in other places while they don't pay any sorts of tariffs to sell here...

then you combine that with c.a.f.e (if you noticed i never said c.a.f.e. was the only standard) and you've got an escalating issue which puts gm in a tradeoff bind where you either cut quality or the price...and throughout the 70's and 80's gm cut quality to keep their price in line with their competitors...

like i said every industry that is in trouble you will find it to be heavily unionized...and please watch that video i posted...ms bartiromo is one smart analyst and owns that union boss guy

the solution was to go bankrupt way back in october and null and void their contracts and restructure the right way before all these "car czar's" started calling the shots you know telling them to close dealerships and having the gall to fire their ceo's without a peep from the actual chairmen or stockholders input...

i'm just sick of misinformed people with mismanaged facts and misleading headlines blaming gm for all of this

it was never an even playing field and they've done a hell of a job making quality products for the past decade even with all the artificial obstacles put in their way

i apologize in advance if i offended anybody but it is what it is

[chevydude26]

Originally Posted by shinzon

FACT - As Mis-Mangement flew they corporate Jets to DC to ask for money ? As they bumbled through the 80's and early ninties with their FWD cars or crap ?

Don't blame Consumers for your companies downright ignorance and mismanagement.



awww fudge this, why did I bother

oh how original a dig on corporate jets...as if taking jets was going to make a difference in their cost structure...

yet somehow none of you complain when our politicians take jets and waste tax payer money freely with no restraint...

i already stated how it was never an even playing field for gm...look up facts before you start repeating misleading false talking points aimed to bash anything made in america or "evil corporate ceo's"....that media really knows how to play some of you guys i swear...you guys eat up the garbage hookline and sinker

[StoutFiles]

"

Loyalty". There is no loyalty - any where, any more. Not in pro sports,

There's plenty of loyalty in pro sports. Plenty.

[qbert48]

like i said every industry that is in trouble you will find it to be heavily unionized..


+ one million