Camaro SS vs Evo X

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

Well this is a damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of situation. There aren't a lot of people here who can set up a personal race between the two in a road course. If you use magazines you are accused of bench racing. None of the nut-swinging (this is my new favorite word) here takes into account real world acceleration. If I want to go bench racing even your numbers are off.

.88 g vs .94-.97 skidpad which is closer to 7-10%.

The slalom course has the Mitsu as high as 71.7 which is damned high, supercar territory.

The DC-SST is insanely fast shifting.

Also, in the Mitsu you have a vehicle designed for a specific racing class with a 2liter engine limited to 300 hp. So you take this car with a 2liter and then you suddenly open up its competition to unlimited engine size and it still keeps up or better in everything but a straight line. I used to short-change Mitsus too until I realized how specific the design is.

You guys know me, I've been on this board for months and I'm a Camaro fanboy- but: Considering that the Camaro had no constraints at all you'd think it would have laid waste to the Evo.

So with this being the 3rd of 4th Camaro Vs Evo X topic, I can honestly say none have them have progressed the debate any further. They are just different cars with different goals. I like the Camaro better because I think it's a better all around car and it's beautiful. The Evo is more focused and ugly.

well said

[Hobbitos]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

Well this is a damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of situation. There aren't a lot of people here who can set up a personal race between the two in a road course. If you use magazines you are accused of bench racing. None of the nut-swinging (this is my new favorite word) here takes into account real world acceleration. If I want to go bench racing even your numbers are off.

.88 g vs .94-.97 skidpad which is closer to 7-10%.

The slalom course has the Mitsu as high as 71.7 which is damned high, supercar territory.

The DC-SST is insanely fast shifting.

Also, in the Mitsu you have a vehicle designed for a specific racing class with a 2liter engine limited to 300 hp. So you take this car with a 2liter and then you suddenly open up its competition to unlimited engine size and it still keeps up or better in everything but a straight line. I used to short-change Mitsus too until I realized how specific the design is.

You guys know me, I've been on this board for months and I'm a Camaro fanboy- but: Considering that the Camaro had no constraints at all you'd think it would have laid waste to the Evo.

So with this being the 3rd of 4th Camaro Vs Evo X topic, I can honestly say none have them have progressed the debate any further. They are just different cars with different goals. I like the Camaro better because I think it's a better all around car and it's beautiful. The Evo is more focused and ugly.

I agree %100 with this. The evo is more focused. I admit - I used to think evox are ugly. Then I drove a IX and thought hmm.... then the X came out and I bought one. Now I think it is one of the coolest looking cars. Everything that is not skin deep is what makes this car beautiful to me. I guess it is like a bulldog

I would love to buy a cool American V8 but I like going to the road courses in Texas and all the american muscle - I have seen - can't seem to stay on the road as well.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Zeus

If I were a mod, id give you a 3 day ban for missrepresenting the Camaro5 community in such a biased, ignorant manor.


To all of those in this thread who are new to Camaro5, I promise not all Camaro enthusiasts are as biased and ignorant to cars as Wesman. Please be assured that our community is normally much more informed and welcoming.

i like how fanbois can blow up an evo and claim it the OMG car of ricers, it's so good OMG OMG OMG

but wesman comes in and usually brings up legitamate points about their obvious short comings to stop the spread of blind ignorance, and he's the bad guy.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by big hammer

i like how fanbois can blow up an evo and claim it the OMG car of ricers, it's so good OMG OMG OMG

but wesman comes in and usually brings up legitamate points about their obvious short comings to stop the spread of blind ignorance, and he's the bad guy.

Wesman is both biased and ignorant. He thinks that the Camaro is a ''better performance car'' than the Evo because it has a higher trap speed. the end. Case closed.

You will not find a performance car in the world that doesnt have short comings, and pointing them out doesnt make anyone a 'bad guy' . The fact that he cant do it without racist slurs or a biased (I would hope its bias and not mental retardation) twist makes him a bad guy.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Wesman is both biased and ignorant. He thinks that the Camaro is a ''better performance car'' than the Evo because it has a higher trap speed. the end. Case closed.

You will not find a performance car in the world that doesnt have short comings, and pointing them out doesnt make anyone a 'bad guy' . The fact that he cant do it without racist slurs or a biased (I would hope its bias and not mental retardation) twist makes him a bad guy.

the camaro is a better performer. the fact that it traps 10 mph higher is HUGE! the evo just gets out of the hole quick because of it's training wheels. then it's done.

well we didn't know that you sensative folks have now included "ricers" and "asians" as racial slurs. where are you going to stop?

if a ricer fanboi is biased towards his asian cars, he gets praises and teddy bear hugs. but when somebody is biased towards north american cars, he gets called biased and a racist. double standards are a hell of a thing!

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by big hammer

the camaro is a better performer. the fact that it traps 10 mph higher is HUGE! the evo just gets out of the hole quick because of it's training wheels. then it's done.

well we didn't know that you sensative folks have now included "ricers" and "asians" as racial slurs. where are you going to stop?

if a ricer fanboi is biased towards his asian cars, he gets praises and teddy bear hugs. but when somebody is biased towards north american cars, he gets called biased and a racist. double standards are a hell of a thing!

Oh ma gawd, this has to be wesman on another sn.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

Those EVOs are amazing cars. Absent specifically wanting a Camaro, shoppers looking for a high $30s performance car would be foolish to not include a stop at a Mitsu dealer. With all that technology, AWD, AYC, Dual Clutch Trans . . . they're sweet. I'd guess on a big (decent size/number of straights) road course, the Camaro might be close; put it in autoX type situations and the big Chevy would get crushed. Same with inclement weather.

There is nothing "amazing" about taking a light econo car chassis and upgrading it with stiffer components and better suspension. The concept is no different than what VW did with the original GTI back in 1983, which pretty much single handedly started the sport compact genre.

When you buy an Evo, you're buying a $12,000 car with $23,000 "worth" of upgrades. The Lancer in itself is one of the shittiest cars ever made, but with all the factory upgrades they do, people think they are buying some kind of exotic. The Evo is a huge cash cow for Mitsu, they can charge BMW prices for a car that in itself is only worth the same as a Kia Rio.

The Camaro on the other hand, for the same price, is on a real chassis - not the same platform used to underpin a cheap econocar. The Zeta platform is a very capable and strong architecture, and with some aftermarket handling upgrades, should prove to be able to hang with the best on the track.

Why would anyone be foolish not to stop at a Mitsubishi dealer?? Not everyone like cars that look like the Evo, riced up econo cars are not my style at all. The car has so many downsides its not even worth stopping. In stock form it barely breaks 14's, its got horrible turbo lag, its ugly as sin, build quality is crap, and the powertrain isn't strong enough to take any real abuse. Not to mention is get the same fuel economy as a V8 Camaro. Thanks anyway, but I'll drive right past the Mitsu dealer.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Oh ma gawd, this has to be wesman on another sn.

Nope, just one of the few people left who doesn't have his head up Mitsubishis ass. Not everyone is a ricer, you seem surprised that there could be two people in this world that don't like riced up economy crap from Japan.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Wesman is both biased and ignorant. He thinks that the Camaro is a ''better performance car'' than the Evo because it has a higher trap speed. the end. Case closed.

You will not find a performance car in the world that doesnt have short comings, and pointing them out doesnt make anyone a 'bad guy' . The fact that he cant do it without racist slurs or a biased (I would hope its bias and not mental retardation) twist makes him a bad guy.

Racial slurs?? You can't be racist against inanimate objects. That alone invalidates your entire worthless post.

The Camaro is the better car because its not a riced up, turbo lagging, poorly built pile of shit Mitsubishi. Is that better??

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Wesman

Racial slurs?? You can't be racist against inanimate objects. That alone invalidates your entire worthless post.

The Camaro is the better car because its not a riced up, turbo lagging, poorly built pile of shit Mitsubishi. Is that better??

Not really... But its what I, and anyone else who reads your posts have come to expect.... More degrading comments with nothing substantial or factual to back them up.

The Camaro is not a better performance car than the Evo. If you were to put them on a track the Evo would edge out from the Camaro through every turn, while on a drag strip the Camaro would edge out the Evo down the stretch. So one is better on a track and one is better on a drag strip, how can you declare one the ''better car''??


You cant.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

Well this is a damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of situation. There aren't a lot of people here who can set up a personal race between the two in a road course. If you use magazines you are accused of bench racing. None of the nut-swinging (this is my new favorite word) here takes into account real world acceleration. If I want to go bench racing even your numbers are off.

In real world acceleration the Camaro lays a beat down on the Evo by buslenghts. Launching hard only get you so far. And winning by jumping out ahead when the other guy is reeling you in hard doesn't impress anyone.

.88 g vs .94-.97 skidpad which is closer to 7-10%.

The slalom course has the Mitsu as high as 71.7 which is damned high, supercar territory.

Thats what you can do when you put super sticky tires on a car from the factory that have a treadwear of 180 and only last 2,000 miles

The DC-SST is insanely fast shifting.

Mitsubishi stole the design from AudiVW and just made it cheaper and shittier. Its not a smooth or quick shifting, and according to Mitsubishi, it can't hold any more power than the car makes stock, so don't buy a DSG if you plan on modding your evo.

Also, in the Mitsu you have a vehicle designed for a specific racing class with a 2liter engine limited to 300 hp. So you take this car with a 2liter and then you suddenly open up its competition to unlimited engine size and it still keeps up or better in everything but a straight line. I used to short-change Mitsus too until I realized how specific the design is.

And why does that matter on a street vehicle?? There are nothing but disadvantages to using a smaller motor. It struggles to move the car unless you're in boost, making daily driving basically like driving a Civic - gutless. It also sounds like crap, has ridiculous turbo lag, and goets worse fuel economy than a lot of V8's. And think about durability - which motor is more likely to last longer, an overboosted 2L 4 banger making 300HP or a 6.2L naturally aspirated V8 making 430HP?? Cramming tons of boost into a small engine to make power takes its toll on engine internals, you don't ever see high mileage Evos, because they don't last that long.

You guys know me, I've been on this board for months and I'm a Camaro fanboy- but: Considering that the Camaro had no constraints at all you'd think it would have laid waste to the Evo.

11MPH in the 1/4 mile is basically laying waste to the Evo, its not even a comparison. The only reason the Camaro doesn't outhandle the Evo stock is because its not designed to be a no compromises sports car, its more of a GT, one thats not going to beat the hell out of you on your daily drive to work. And the majority of people would sacrifice that handling ability to have a car thats driveable, instead of an ox cart like the Evo, that kicks your ass with its super hard suspension, rock hard seats, and piss poor ride quality. Hit a pebble in an Evo and you upset the chassis. Some people like to actually drive their car on the street, not just the track.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Wesman

Racial slurs?? You can't be racist against inanimate objects. That alone invalidates your entire worthless post.

The Camaro is the better car because its not a riced up, turbo lagging, poorly built pile of shit Mitsubishi. Is that better??

Not really... But its what I, and anyone else who reads your posts have come to expect.... More degrading comments with nothing substantial or factual to back them up.

The Camaro is not a better performance car than the Evo. If you were to put them on a track the Evo would edge out from the Camaro through every turn, while on a drag strip the Camaro would edge out the Evo down the stretch. So one is better on a track and one is better on a drag strip, how can you declare one the ''better car''??


You cant.




Edit: Reposted for those who ''didnt see it''

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Not really... But its what I, and anyone else who reads your posts have come to expect.... More degrading comments with nothing substantial or factual to back them up.

Once again...you can't "degrade" or be "racist" against inanimate objects like vehicles. Get a grip and stop trying to turn this political.

The Camaro is not a better performance car than the Evo. If you were to put them on a track the Evo would edge out from the Camaro through every turn, while on a drag strip the Camaro would edge out the Evo down the stretch. So one is better on a track and one is better on a drag strip, how can you declare one the ''better car''??


You cant.

The Camaro is the better car period for these simple reasons:

Zeta > Lancer
LS3 > 4B11
TR6060 > Mitsu 5 speed

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Wesman

Once again...you can't "degrade" or be "racist" against inanimate objects like vehicles. Get a grip and stop trying to turn this political.



The Camaro is the better car period for these simple reasons:

Zeta > Lancer
LS3 > 4B11
TR6060 > Mitsu 5 speed

And the Pushrod V8 with Tremec 6MT in a Z06 isnt NEARLY as nice as the M3's V8 with Dual Clutch, but it still is the better performance car... Funny how that works.