Shno's House of Z

[PYROLYSIS]

Originally Posted by tramtwo

Just incredible....

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I wonder why they used the SSX wheels on that drawing?

[tramtwo]

We think alike... I just figured that the other parts came before the wheels... which are the biggest weight savings of the build compared to the 1SS

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[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I've was wondering how the Camaro handling would change if they used a short-long arm front suspension instead of a strut. Would it have any noticeable impact?

I would say negligible but when you are looking for bits of seconds in lap times it might do something.

That being said, the Porsche 911 GT3 has a Macpherson strut front suspension.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by tramtwo

Just incredible....



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Great Find


Front
1LE Z/28 Xa/SC L/28
25mm 125 - 231 - 447 - 670
50mm 154 - 284 -
75mm 159 - 294 -

Rear
1LE Z/28 Xa/SC L/28
25mm 266 - 438 - 588 - 670
50mm 275 - 453 - 645
75mm 485 - 800 - 980

Front Sway Bar Z 25mm L 27mm
Rear Sway Bar Z 26mm L 32mm

68% Harder Tailing Arm Bushing
420% Harder Rear upper Outer
500% Increase in Rear Sub-Frame Control Surface
Front Camber Plates to improve SAI
600+ RWHP
Tuned to beat All comers at the OPTIMA Ultimate Street Car Invitational

The Z/28 has some DSE elements with bigger springs and smaller bars.

[tramtwo]

Pete why the smaller bars on the Z/28.... weight? Bigger is not always better?

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[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I would say negligible but when you are looking for bits of seconds in lap times it might do something.

That being said, the Porsche 911 GT3 has a Macpherson strut front suspension.

That's what I figured but I always thought it was interesting the Camaro had a front strut but the Corvette didn't.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by tramtwo

Pete why the smaller bars on the Z/28.... weight? Bigger is not always better?

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Some prefer to set up a car with a bit more lean / roll to increase available traction. It is a style, a preference in setup. Combine that with the highly functional aero on the Z/28 and it is a very good setup as seen by the Ring time.

We started our setup in 2009 with higher rate coils and higher rate bars. One of the reasons we run with our style is available power. We have considerably more.

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

That's what I figured but I always thought it was interesting the Camaro had a front strut but the Corvette didn't.

The virtual pivot strut works quite well, but an upper control arm has advantages beyond wheel stability. You don't see struts on a F1 car.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

The virtual pivot strut works quite well, but an upper control arm has advantages beyond wheel stability. You don't see struts on a F1 car.

So would something like the Z/28 benefit from an upper control arm? Why do so many cars use the front strut?

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

So would something like the Z/28 benefit from an upper control arm? Why do so many cars use the front strut?

I think it would benefit from the HiPer strut on the Buick. The Virtual Pivot setup delivers an incredible level of performance inexpensively. It is in use on quite a few high end cars.



2012 BMW. Look familiar?

[Zfatuated]

Originally Posted by tramtwo

Pete why the smaller bars on the Z/28.... weight? Bigger is not always better?

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Not Pete (actually I am, but not that Pete), but the answer is that the bigger the sway bar, the more the suspension setup and/or design is compromised. Proper car setups have stunningly small sways. Big fat sways are compensating for a defect somewhere else in the suspension design, for example low spring rates.

A properly sprung and dampened car can use much smaller and lighter sways. Small(er) sways are yet one more piece of evidence that the Z/28 was properly designed for its mission in life.

Attached graphic is the sway bar (and one of two attachment links) off of an F3 car, it about the length of a long cigar and half the diameter of one in the center section.

[2cnd chance]

Any thoughts?

"The car sold to a phone bidder after opening action quickly moved the price to $1M and then up to $1.5M, where the reserve on the car was met and it sold. The owner must have been pleased, since the car was purchased in 2010 for just under $1M and a 60% return on investment at three years is pretty healthy. But the dilemma is, why, in the hottest Corvette market in history, did one of the five Corvette “Crown Jewels” sell for only $1.5M, especially in comparison to the 1967 Corvette that just set a world’s record in Mecum’s Dallas auction just a few weeks before?

“Only $1.5M,” sounds pretty elitist, but it is not meant that way. In a market where production Corvettes are selling for $600K to over $1M, and a 1967 L88, one of twenty Corvettes produced that year with the vaunted engine, just set a world’s record selling for $3.2M, then why did the father of the Corvette, Harley Earl’s personal Corvette and one-of-one specially built cars bring less than half of the price of the L88? The law of supply and demand dictates that in relative terms this car should have brought much more than the hammer price, and add to that the best ownership history a Corvette could have and it is pretty clear that the buyer got a pretty good deal. I realize that $1.5M is a lot to pay for any car, certainly more than I can afford, but in terms of the recent market and all of the attributes which make this one of the bluest, blue-chip collector Corvettes, the $1.5M sale is clearly a disappointment."

[2cnd chance]

Record setting Corvette.

[Zfatuated]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Any thoughts?

"The car sold to a phone bidder after opening action quickly moved the price to $1M and then up to $1.5M, where the reserve on the car was met and it sold. The owner must have been pleased, since the car was purchased in 2010 for just under $1M and a 60% return on investment at three years is pretty healthy. But the dilemma is, why, in the hottest Corvette market in history, did one of the five Corvette “Crown Jewels” sell for only $1.5M, especially in comparison to the 1967 Corvette that just set a world’s record in Mecum’s Dallas auction just a few weeks before?

“Only $1.5M,” sounds pretty elitist, but it is not meant that way. In a market where production Corvettes are selling for $600K to over $1M, and a 1967 L88, one of twenty Corvettes produced that year with the vaunted engine, just set a world’s record selling for $3.2M, then why did the father of the Corvette, Harley Earl’s personal Corvette and one-of-one specially built cars bring less than half of the price of the L88? The law of supply and demand dictates that in relative terms this car should have brought much more than the hammer price, and add to that the best ownership history a Corvette could have and it is pretty clear that the buyer got a pretty good deal. I realize that $1.5M is a lot to pay for any car, certainly more than I can afford, but in terms of the recent market and all of the attributes which make this one of the bluest, blue-chip collector Corvettes, the $1.5M sale is clearly a disappointment."

Welcome to another real-life manifestation of Quantitative Easing from the Federal Reserve. Money printing is going into equities and hard assets- high-end real estate, art, cars, etc. Enjoy the show while it lasts.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

Welcome to another real-life manifestation of Quantitative Easing from the Federal Reserve. Money printing is going into equities and hard assets- high-end real estate, art, cars, etc. Enjoy the show while it lasts.

No doubt it's like the 80's again.

However my thoughts were more based on Harley Earl's personal 1 off Vette selling for 1/2 the $ of the regular production Vette (yes it's a 1 of 20)???