Since when is a 300+ hp muscle car considered settling?

[jdbaker82]

Originally Posted by rays

Everyone has their reasons. These reasons are as varied as the opinions of them.

Nobody can tell me the V6 is any less of a car than the V8. I'm more interested in driving the car than blowing people away at stop lights and drag strips.

You know what we motorcycle people call somebody who goes real fast but only in a straight line? A Squid. There's a nice little memorial of them made out of sport bike parts at the Dragon at Deals gap. The V8 is the squid of the two Camaro's.
Yeah sure you can go spend more money and get the pedders suspension but so can I.

I can mod my V6 and go as fast as you stock V8's the V8 will always have more potential. So what.

My little 600cc Yamaha YZF600 is the fastest and best handling thing I own. If you can ride it. I probably will sell it now. No time for it.

I can get in my 444ci 7.3L V8 Diesel Truck and go slower and turn slower. But it hauls 12,000 pounds.

Everything has a purpose. What's your purpose? Whats important to you? You have something to prove? You'll feel shamed with a V6? You like the rumble of the V8? You like the gas mileage of the V6? You like the torque of the V8? You like the better insurance rate of the V6? You need an extension of your.....? Whatever it is, its your decision, for your reason. Don't let anyone shame you into buying something you don't want.

The V6 is never going to looked at as the badest. I don't care. Its exactly WHAT I WANTED. Its not settling for me.

I must say.... Well said

[patriotpa]

Originally Posted by rays

Everyone has their reasons. These reasons are as varied as the opinions of them.

Nobody can tell me the V6 is any less of a car than the V8. I'm more interested in driving the car than blowing people away at stop lights and drag strips.

You know what we motorcycle people call somebody who goes real fast but only in a straight line? A Squid. There's a nice little memorial of them made out of sport bike parts at the Dragon at Deals gap. The V8 is the squid of the two Camaro's.
Yeah sure you can go spend more money and get the pedders suspension but so can I.

I can mod my V6 and go as fast as you stock V8's the V8 will always have more potential. So what.

My little 600cc Yamaha YZF600 is the fastest and best handling thing I own. If you can ride it. I probably will sell it now. No time for it.

I can get in my 444ci 7.3L V8 Diesel Truck and go slower and turn slower. But it hauls 12,000 pounds.

Everything has a purpose. What's your purpose? Whats important to you? You have something to prove? You'll feel shamed with a V6? You like the rumble of the V8? You like the gas mileage of the V6? You like the torque of the V8? You like the better insurance rate of the V6? You need an extension of your.....? Whatever it is, its your decision, for your reason. Don't let anyone shame you into buying something you don't want.

The V6 is never going to looked at as the badest. I don't care. Its exactly WHAT I WANTED. Its not settling for me.

Roger that! Get what YOU want! ...and if I hear one more chick tell me it's my "midlife crisis car" she won't be happy with what I have to say about her.

Get it because you want it and you CAN! F everyone else.

[jdbaker82]

Originally Posted by patriotpa

Roger that! Get what YOU want! ...and if I hear one more chick tell me it's my "midlife crisis car" she won't be happy with what I have to say about her.

Get it because you want it and you CAN! F everyone else.

"Get in the car I will show you a mid-life crisis?"

[DCJ]

Originally Posted by patriotpa

Roger that! Get what YOU want! ...and if I hear one more chick tell me it's my "midlife crisis car" she won't be happy with what I have to say about her.

Get it because you want it and you CAN! F everyone else.

lol....I have had a few people ask me if I was going through a mid-life too I am like....I am only 33, so no it's not a mid-life just always wanted a Camaro. I remember wanting a I-ROC and Z-28 sooooo bad in highshool and just could not afford it. So I am like heck since my wife and I both love the Camaro why not just get another. This other Camaro will be a secondary vehicle so I chose the V8, but just about all of our commuting with work will be in the V6. I am about to bring my business home to work out of my house so my commute to work will be dramatically shortened which will save me on the gas with the V8

[Matster]

Absolutely nothing wrong with the V6 and 300+ HP. It is a beautiful car and great fuel economy. One post mentioned the older cars having less or comparable HP to today's V6. The down fall or difference is in the weight of today's vehicles. A 69 Camaro was moving a lot less car down the road.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by Matster

Absolutely nothing wrong with the V6 and 300+ HP. It is a beautiful car and great fuel economy. One post mentioned the older cars having less or comparable HP to today's V6. The down fall or difference is in the weight of today's vehicles. A 69 Camaro was moving a lot less car down the road.

well... quickly looked up some times... from one of the 0-60 sites:

1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS-350 0-60: 8.0 1/4: 15.4

Not sure of the times for the 69...

[rays]

The 1967 Chevrolet
Camaro SS 396
Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 108.1
Weight, lbs: 3,720
Number built: NA
Base price: $3,046

Top Available Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 396
Fuel system: 1 x 4bbl.
Compression ratio: 11.0:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 375 @ 5600
Torque @ rpm: 415 @ 3600

Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: 6.5
1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 14.5 @ 99
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The 1968 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396
Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 108.1
Weight, lbs: 3,725
Number built: 18,199
Base price: $3,800

Top Available Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 396
Fuel system: 1 x 4bbl.
Compression ratio: 11.0:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 375 @ 5600
Torque @ rpm: 415 @ 3600

Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: 6.0
1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 14.5 @ 99
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The 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396
Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 108.1
Weight, lbs: 3,790
Number built: 13,970
Base price: $3,100

Top Available Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 396
Fuel system: 1 x 4bbl.
Compression ratio: 11.0:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 375 @ 5600
Torque @ rpm: 415 @ 4600

Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: 6.8
1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 14.7 @ 98.7

[rays]

Here's some more stats
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The 1967 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 108.1
Weight, lbs: 3,500
Number built: 602
Base price: $3,500

Standard Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 302
Fuel system: 1 x 4bbl.
Compression ratio: 11.0:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 290 @ 5800
Torque @ rpm: 290 @ 4200

Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: 6.9
1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 14.85 @ 101
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The 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 108.1
Weight, lbs: 3,765
Number built: 20,302
Base price: $3,185

Top Available Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 302
Fuel system: 2 x 4 bbl.
Compression ratio: 11.0:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 290 @ 5800
Torque @ rpm: 290 @ 4200

Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: 7.4
1/4 mile, sec @ mph: 15.12 @ 94.8

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These are the ones
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The 1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1
Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 108.1
Weight, lbs: 3,300
Number built: 69
Base price: $7,200

Standard Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 427
Fuel system: 1 x 4bbl.
Compression ratio: 12.0:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 430 @ 5200
Torque @ rpm: 450 @ 4400

Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: 5.3
1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 13.16 @ 110

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The 1969 Yenko Camaro
Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 108.1
Weight, lbs: 3,500
Number built: 201
Price: $4,500

Standard Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 427
Fuel system: 1 x 4bbl.
Compression ratio: 11.0:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 425 @ 5600
Torque @ rpm: 460 @ 4000

Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: 5.4
1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 13.5 @ 105

[FISHTAIL]

I'm done with all those morons that don't know any better!
I don't have to justify my Camaro to no one, I say F them all!

I also grew up in the 80's and owned two v6 Camaros a 1984, 1988 RS an a 1992 Z28 fully loaded with a 5.7L tune port 350 motor (245 Hp) and the new V6 is faster than my 1992 Z28

Bottom line, it's a statement just to be buying a new car in this bad economy even more a Camaro! So they can kiss it.

Found this useful info on line for those of us that grew up in the 80's


0-60 & 1/4 Mile
1982 Chevrolet Corvette 9.2 16.6
1984 Chevrolet Corvette 6.7 15.1
1985 Chevrolet Corvette 5.7 14.1
1985 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.9 13.1
1986 Chevrolet Corvette 5.8 14.4
1986 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 6.0 14.5
1988 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 6.0 14.6
1988 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 6.0 14.6 (Just like the new V6 Camaro times)
1990 Chevrolet Corvette 5.7 14.3
1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.4 12.8
1991 Chevrolet Corvette L98 5.3 13.9
1991 Chevrolet Corvette Roadster 5.6 14.1
1992 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.7 14.1
1992 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 5.6 13.9
1993 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.3 13.9
1993 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 5.2 13.6
1994 Chevrolet Corvette LT1(auto) 5.5 14.1
1994 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.7 13.1
1995 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.2 13.7
1995 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.9 13.1
1996 Chevrolet Corvette Collectors' 4.9 13.3
1996 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport 4.7 13.3
1997 Chevrolet Corvette 4.7 13.3
1998 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 5.1 13.5
1999 Chevrolet Corvette Hardtop 4.8 13.3[/COLOR]

[mickss]

All of the above stat`s for 6o`s era cars are correct for show room stock but the one thing alot of us overlook was the tire sizes and technology of the time. When most of these cars were outfitted with either Mickey Thompson`s or 7" cheater slick of the day they shaved +/- a second over show room stock with no other changes.

One other thing, the numbers for the Z28 are vastly under rated, it had closer to 400 HP and a red line close to 7,000 RPM.

[FISHTAIL]

Here are some Camaros

0-60 & 1/4 Mile
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 9.7 n/a
1983 Chevrolet Camaro 9.5 17.5
1983 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 H.O. 6.7 15.0
1984 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta 9.3 17.0
1985 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta 10.0 17.0
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z28 7.0 15.2
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 6.6 14.9
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z L98 6.8 15.3
1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 7.0 15.5
1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 5.8 14.4
1990 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.5 15.0
1992 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.7 15.2
1993 Chevrolet Camaro V-6 9.0 16.6
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.8 14.4
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1 new V6 w/CAI & catbk can do
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6

[Oh10Cam]

Originally Posted by FISHTAIL

Here are some Camaros

0-60 & 1/4 Mile
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 9.7 n/a
1983 Chevrolet Camaro 9.5 17.5
1983 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 H.O. 6.7 15.0
1984 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta 9.3 17.0
1985 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta 10.0 17.0
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z28 7.0 15.2
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 6.6 14.9
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z L98 6.8 15.3
1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 7.0 15.5
1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 5.8 14.4
1990 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.5 15.0
1992 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.7 15.2
1993 Chevrolet Camaro V-6 9.0 16.6
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.8 14.4
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1 new V6 w/CAI & catbk can do
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6

Thanks for the stats. Amazing to see the new V6's can outrun the IROC-Z's 0-60 and 1/4.

[bhut]

Originally Posted by Oshawan

I have a 2lt on order.
No one is ever going to say "Holy Shit that's a fast car!"
That statement is reserved for the SS.
but "Holy Shit that's a fast car for a v6!" is what we're entitled to..if you can't handle that
-buy an SS.

You nailed it. I'm buying a car that will surprise people that it's a V6. A 2LT will look great, have all the toys, be fun to drive, won't kill my insurance rates, and is in my price range. If someone is willing to drop $7k in my mailbox with no strings attached, I'll gladly change my order to a 2SS, but otherwise a V6 will do the trick.

[67 GTO]

Originally Posted by bhut

You nailed it. I'm buying a car that will surprise people that it's a V6. A 2LT will look great, have all the toys, be fun to drive, won't kill my insurance rates, and is in my price range. If someone is willing to drop $7k in my mailbox with no strings attached, I'll gladly change my order to a 2SS, but otherwise a V6 will do the trick.

You won't be disapointed. I jumped all over the little 6 banger this morning and it's more than enough for me. More than happy with 6 seconds to 60.

I also chose the the nice stuff that comes with the 2LT over a 2SS and the $7k difference. In my younger days with a $30k budget, I would have gone for a 1SS but wanted the cool trinkets with my driving style today.