Just got done with my Maggie install

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by 2010SSRS

It's just a reference.......you could replace "4000lb car" with "Camaro" or "car". i'm refering to the weight of the car because the original post is comparing Camaros to Vipers............HUGE weight difference.

c'mon guys..........are you REALLY under the assumption that just because both are 500hp vehicles that they should perform the same?

and if ur 3357lb vs 3860lb comparison is accurate (i'm using exaggerated examples), 503lbs is still a lot.

again, the main point is that you CAN'T compare a Viper to a Camaro........they are NOT the in the same league! and if you think you can just bolt on a Maggie and expect the two cars to perform the same.......you'll be VERY disappointed!

love the Camaro - just understand it's capabilities...

If what Magnuson claims is true than the extra hp the supercharger makes should make up for the weight disadvatage(in a straight line). The Maggie claims 492RWHP on a otherwise untouched car with the maggie tune. Thats 578FWHP when using a 15% drivetrain loss. 78 hp should make up the 503 lb difference. IMO

[2010SSRS]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

If what Magnuson claims is true than the extra hp the supercharger makes should make up for the weight disadvatage(in a straight line). The Maggie claims 492RWHP on a otherwise untouched car with the maggie tune. Thats 578FWHP when using a 15% drivetrain loss. 78 hp should make up the 503 lb difference. IMO

again, it's a different class of car.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by 2010SSRS

really? r u that dumb?.......... 500hp won't perform as well in a 4000lb (Camaro) car vs a 3000lb (Viper) car. they're completely different classes of vehicles.

weight has always been a hp killer.

500hp in a tank is not gonna perform like 500hp in a go cart.

We know what you mean... but you just called this guy dumb and switched the wording around to make your statement correct, minus the part about weight being a hp killer, which is not true

His original reply, as was mine, 100% correct.

Again... I know what you're trying to say and I think you know what we are saying..

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by 2010SSRS

again, it's a different class of car.

I think what the OP is concerned about is that it does not "FEEL" powerfull. They are 2 different classes of cars but the power delivery should be about the same along with the straightline acceleration (or lack there of because of wheelspin). I am sure someone could post up the fastest 1/4 time for a stock 04 Viper vs an average time for a stock maggie equipped 2010 Camaro and I bet it would be dam close. I still think what I posted earlier in maybe something is a miss. (system/install/car/ect.)

[mlee]

Dodge Viper third generation (SRT-10 roadster)

• 0-60 mph: 3.9 sec
• 0-100 mph: 8.36 sec
• quarter mile: 11.77 sec @ 123.68 mph
• top speed: 190 mph
• slalom: 70.4 mph
• skidpad average acceleration: 1.05 g
• 100-0: 274 ft

505 cu in (8.3 L)..500 bhp and 525 lb·ft... Possibly a torque difference that the OP was feeling...

[racingray68]

Originally Posted by 2010SSRS

you should be at about 6psi outta the box and with NO OTHER MODS only about 510rwhp for the 2300.

had you done the research, you woulda know that:

1 - to get a 4000lb car over 550rwhp with a 2300 ya need LT Headers, the CAI, 8psi of boost with a smaller pulley and a custom tune.

2 - to get a 4000lb car over 550rwhp with a 1900 ya need the 1900 with one size smaller puller producing 7.5psi of boost and netting you 565rwhp. no other mods needed. 600rwhp is easily acheived with the 1900 and LT Headers, smaller pulley, CAI and custom tune.

and to compare the Camaro to the Viper is insane. ur not comparing apples to apples. the viper would compare to the vette. the Challenger would compare the Camaro.

with all do respect, sounds as if u have more money than knowledge.

research will save ya a ton of time, grief and money! good luck.

Well I definitely dont have more money than knowledge and I did alot of research. I checked the weight of the viper and it was almost identical to the camaro, I cant remember the exact weight but it was posted on the door of the viper, you would have to drive both cars to understand where I am coming from. another thing you show zero class coming into the conversation and trying to belittle someone that you dont know, if you dont have something good to say or neutral than dont post.

[BlownChevy]

Ray there MUST be something going on there. You need to go over your install and make sure everything is correct.

have you checked the boost? Are you sure the car accepted the calibration? Are you sure your intercooler system is flowing coolant? A6 M6???? I need some details.


Several things should be taken into consideration before you run to the forums and complain. I agree with everyone, comparing a 550 HP Camaro to a Viper is like comparing a Honda Element to a Ferrari 430 Scud.....

Call me on Tuesday and we can discuss the issues, until then check your work......If you do some research here 99.99% of the people that install these systems consider it the best thing since sliced bread.


Sav1, do you really think there is that much difference in a Screw vs a Magnuson? Guys at 5-20 psi you are splitting hairs in performance. The Screw really starts to shine in the higher pressure ratios (20-30 psi), it has been tested time and time again.

[hypurone]

[QUOTE=BlownChevy;1924452]Ray there MUST be something going on there. You need to go over your install and make sure everything is correct.

have you checked the boost? Are you sure the car accepted the calibration? Are you sure your intercooler system is flowing coolant? A6 M6???? I need some details./QUOTE]

This is the biggie. When tuning my car, before a tuning change was going to be flashed to the ECM, they had to take the extra step of disconnecting the battery for at least 3mins. There is an issue with trying to write the tune directly over the previous one without doing the "reset" of the ECM.

FWIW, I am running 8lbs (3.6 pulley) in an A6 with a CAI, shorties, no muffs and a "safe" tune at 480rwhp and 507ft lbs of torque. The car is stunning! I am 100% stoked in the performance of the car on 91 octane(all I can get here in Cali) and I can hammer it daily without spraying or anything else!

[DarrenJ]

Originally Posted by racingray68

Ok, so I took the car for a ride and wasn't that impressed.I have the stock Maggie tune on an ls3 and I have to say that I was expecting more. I drove the car about 8 miles and got on it about 3 times and I was disappointed because 3 weeks early I got to drive a stock 2004 viper and that thing was scary fast and my supercharged camaro did not scare me at all.I sure hope that the computer needs to learn or something.I also have a Roto-Fab cai but didnt install it yet because I dont have a tune for it yet,maybe after that install and a tune the car will wake up.Did anyone else have a similar experience?

Not sure what's up with yours, but mine is pure nasty! Had it installed at the dealership, custom tune, injectors & rest of the kit.

[racingray68]

guys,everything went perfect with the install. the car runs good I am just used to my 68 pro street car that weighs 3200 lbs and has 55o hp with 433 gears and 3000 stall. I am just saying that I was expecting more. I am going to get a custom tune and put my cai on the car I was told that will really wake it up. I am disappointed because the viper felt stronger to me but it might be that I am just more comfortable with my own car.

[BLACK10]

i think the only thing that matters is that YOU are not happy with the performance.

I'm like you, it takes a little more to impress me in a car than maybe other people

[racingray68]

Originally Posted by BLACK10

i think the only thing that matters is that YOU are not happy with the performance.

I'm like you, it takes a little more to impress me in a car than maybe other people

exactly what I think

[racerx333]

Originally Posted by racingray68

Well I definitely dont have more money than knowledge and I did alot of research. I checked the weight of the viper and it was almost identical to the camaro, I cant remember the exact weight but it was posted on the door of the viper, you would have to drive both cars to understand where I am coming from. another thing you show zero class coming into the conversation and trying to belittle someone that you dont know, if you dont have something good to say or neutral than dont post.

+1

[dracer98]

Originally Posted by Jeanius

LMK if you want to sell it!

if you are serious PM me I will sell you mine - I went TT