04-24-2016, 08:20 PM | #1 |
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Whipple 2.9 Kit
Let me start by saying I love my cam car, I really do..... but my ultimate goal is supercharged. My car is not a daily driver, so drivability is definitely not an issue.
Anyone have experience with the Whipple 2.9? How do you like it? Got a blower cam with it? Rwhp? Do the install yourself? Stock bottom end? How many miles on the kit? Currently my car has long tubes, CAI, the TSP 235/239 cam, and Valvetrain upgrades along with oil pump and timing upgrade. I would probably go 8rib if there's an option, my setup realistically won't be radical because I don't want to build the tranny and rear as well. Basically my goal is anything close to 600rwhp, but if that means 12+ lbs of boost I'll settle around 560-580. I'll be doing a cam swap with a TSP blower cam, and I'll end up changing the rockers with the CHE bushings, but aside from that I'd like to just have bolt-on kit and no major motor. Meth is a possibility, but that would be later down the road. Thanks for any input, sincerely, Guy bit by mod bug.
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04-24-2016, 08:37 PM | #2 |
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The Whipple will take you to 600 rwhp no problem. You probably already have everything you need to get there with the Whipple.
Get the tuner kit. Some ID850 injectors. A ZL1 pump with ADM FPCM. A tune. And get ready for 600+ to the wheels. Not even sure you need to change the cam. What are your specs on it? |
04-24-2016, 09:00 PM | #3 |
Smart realistic goals
I think you have some really smart realistic goals. Keep it at 600-625 and it'll last and be fun to drive. You can always expand out later but that will be fun for a long time.
From what I`ve seen the whipple is a great product that will make 600 on the wheels real easy. Take the previous advice on the fuel and don`t worry about a thing. I have a tvs2300 but have heard nothing but great things about whipple and I`m sure you`ll be happy with it. You have the right idea. |
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04-24-2016, 09:09 PM | #4 | ||
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I'm not looking to set records, I just want some more power. Right now the car makes 481hp/440tq on the cam swap, and while that is really fun, I want more lol. I'd rather not build the bottom end, which is why I asked the reliability questions. Thanks for the tips, the kit comes with injectors and a fuel pump booster, but if a ZL1 pump is the better route from a reliability stand point, I'd go there. Quote:
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04-24-2016, 09:32 PM | #5 |
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The Whipple is great, speaking from personal experience. I have a 2012 Camaro SS, LS3. I am running the LS9 cam, as i blew my budget on the blower and ZL1 fuel pump and ADM FPCM. The rotating assembly, lifters, and springs are all factory LS3 pieces. I did not utilize the fuel pump booster. I have LT headers, and full 3" exhaust. On Whipple's canned tune, with the 4" supplied pulley, the car made 550RWHP. I had a custom dyno tune performed, to take advantage of the LS9 cam, as Whipple's tune was for a stock motor. The custom dyno tune resulted in 600RWHP, 550RWTQ at roughly 9psi. I have since dropped to a 3.75" pulley, and am currently making 650RWHP/565RWTQ at 11psi. I have been running the stock clutch and drive-train since I installed the Whipple, 28,000 miles ago, without a single issue...so far. The car is daily driven, and has been to the track a half dozen times or so.
I can't stress this enough...the TUNE is everything!!! A great tune will keep it safe, fun, and reliable for years to come. Good luck! -Scott |
04-24-2016, 10:14 PM | #6 |
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Since you've got headers and a cam...trust me...the stock SS pump will not be good enough. Even with a BAP. Search here on this forced induction sub forum about fuel and BAP's. Some good discussion lately. So I won't repeat. But the bottom line is that BAP's don't with all that well with FPCM controlled pumps. The injectors that come with the kit will likely work if you upgrade the pump though.
You're probably smart to change the cam. Sounds like you are comfortable there and know what you are doing. Keep asking questions. Your're on the right track. |
04-24-2016, 10:19 PM | #7 | |
Too much is never enough!
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Do yourself a favor, do the fuel once, don't skimp on it. You can search all over C5 and find a bunch of Whipple owners, that have already answered the questions you have asked. Your not asking for too much now, but the question is will you be satisfied in a few months, or a year or two.
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04-24-2016, 10:35 PM | #8 |
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Everything that comes with the standard 2.9 kit should meet your power goals. Switching to a FI cam will improve power too. I recently almost pulled the trigger on the same kit and was looking at 700whp with all my mods (current and parts supplied). Unfortunately the tax man comith and takith away. I thought all 14-15 SS camaros came with a ZL1 pump stock? Also, your on barrowed time (depending on how you drive) with the stock clutch and diff with those power levels. If you can afford it, have a new clutch installed at the same time because it will save money and handle the power better. Agreed with the tune. Make sure it's done by someone that knows what they are doing. |
04-25-2016, 08:38 AM | #9 |
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Thanks for the comments guys. I sell my race bike this weekend, so this kit should be coming soon.
I was actually looking into a ZL1 pump and a twin disc clutch. I definitely get some comfort knowing that a lot of guys have good mileage on these motors with the Whipple. Now I just need to find out if the Twin Disc is a direct slap in, or if it requires anything extra.
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04-25-2016, 10:02 AM | #10 |
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Do t forget to run methanol injection!
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04-25-2016, 10:37 AM | #11 | |
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I had good gains with bolting on the whipple, my cam is 112LSA so not in any way a blower cam. It was the stock whipple pulley i think maybe 8-9 psi
This is old and i am now 8xx on the stock bottom and untouched heads. No corn either
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04-25-2016, 02:29 PM | #12 |
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I have several customers with the 2.9 Whipples. The only issues they have is slinging belts with the smaller pullies (and the tensioners sometimes break) and they are all switching to our 10 rib kit from the 6 rib, finishing up the whipple brackets now. They had no issues when running the 4" pullies. Otherwise, great blowers. Make a bunch of power. I may end up with a Whipple on my car after this TVS2300 runs out of breath.
Twin disc clutch should include everything you need, depending on brand. My Street Slayer required a very, very minor mod to the slave cylinder to allow for the aluminum bearing support and larger throwout bearing. |
04-25-2016, 07:10 PM | #13 |
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I made 650+rwhp on the 4.0 pulley that came with the kit and supplied injectors. I had long tube headers and a cam of course plus I went with ADM dual pumps. My point is the injectors will reach your goal but get either dual pumps or a ZL-1 pump for sure and you should be good to go. Install is a piece of cake. Get a good tune and enjoy, Whipple is a great blower and you should be fine on the 6rib unless you go with a real small pulley which you don't need to reach your goal.
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04-25-2016, 07:53 PM | #14 |
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I am at 13 psi with Meth and the LS9 cam and a whipple. Did not dyno but I am close to or over 700rwhp. I put on a 8 rib kit last year and it does great. 6 ribs did not like 13 psi. I am using a 3.625 pulley with IW 10% overdrive damper. Stock clutch is doing fine but I don't drag race it. It is a real fun car to drive.
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