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Marotrent · 11-19-2020, 06:09 PM

There's a lot of hate around the 5th gen camaro on YouTube mainly 6th gen owners, but especially people hating on the L99s. On YouTube all you see if 5th gen L99s are slow. Me owning a 2011 L99 full bolt on I know they aren't slow but sheesh were did they get this reputation from?

Machh5 · 11-19-2020, 06:33 PM

Maybe like the 5th gen v6 camaro rep for being slow. One of the fastest camaros ever built, faster than any 1st 2nd 3rd and some 4ths but they are slow???

Modernmusclecar · 11-19-2020, 06:52 PM

People that have no clue think because the l99 comes with 400 hp and the ls3 has 426 that it's faster. That difference in power is offset by the gearing in the l99 trans. I remember way back on here tge debates over which was faster....you don't see them anymore because the l99 has been proven to run door to door with the ls3. People on Youtube I find hate on the 5th gen regardless of trans. I take the opportunity to ask those bashing the 5th gen what times their cars run at the track. Most of the time the would need to time their 1/4 mile time with a calendar. .....not a clock.

Bigdumogre · 11-19-2020, 07:07 PM

Most of the 5th gen hate I see and hear is because it’s a heavier car than the 6th gens. It’s always the same thing “ 5th gens need about 100hp more than 6th gens or coyote mustangs to keep up due to being heavier”

Vegas Bound · 11-19-2020, 08:25 PM

I don't seem to have any trouble keeping up with any mustang or 6th gen.

1JEWLDSSRS · 11-20-2020, 10:35 AM

^^^^ me either for that ! lol. I usually leave them behind saying, what just happened?? lol

CamaroCracka · 11-20-2020, 10:56 AM

If I were a 6th Gen owner and people frequently told me the GenVs look better, which many people do, I might throw a little shade. If they got dusted by a modded GenV their next argument would be that the Gen6 stock vs stock is faster blah blah blah

1JEWLDSSRS · 11-20-2020, 12:11 PM

^^^^^ lol, yea I hear that too!!!

InFiD3ViL · 11-20-2020, 02:06 PM

All this goes out the window once the L99 (and TCM tune) is touched. Because then it becomes any other 6.2 liter LS, for all intents and purposes. Yes, it is still an L99, even when an 'LS3 conversion' is done, but that's when it is better to just refer to it as an 6.2 LS.

I guess what I am saying is...yes, in stock form the L99 leaves a lot to be desired - Especially when compared to the stock Coyote, 392, even the Dodge 5.7 (that one hurts). Once modded the L99 can be just as potent as any equally modded LS3, 4.065 inch bored LY6, L94, etc... part for part. I bought my L99 powered SS in totally stock form. It felt quick when I got it...until I went up against some other cars. That is when I said 'Is that all you've got?!'. I was not only surprised, I was actually kinda let down. But that was quickly remedied with $$$.

The problem I have noticed is that somehow the L99 only gets judged in stock form (maybe rightfully so), while that doesn't seem to apply as much to everyone else. I think I am wording this poorly, but I think you all can figure out what I mean. It isn't just the L99 itself that is at fault in stock form. The ECM and TCM tunes are major contributing factors to this. I really think GM dropped the ball on the stock L99 when compared to the LS3, which can primarily be blamed on the AFM and requirement to meet CAFE standards. Lower compression, lower redline (heavier valvetrain), smaller cam profile, and a poorly optimized tune really handicapped it from the start. They castrated the L99 car from the beginning.

George-CZ · 11-20-2020, 02:45 PM

I'm surprised this distracts you in the enthusiasm for the 5 gen. Camaro.

And L99 is slow ...?
Even if you have 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, 1000, 1500 horses.
There is always someone who will be stronger and faster than you.

So why deal with it ..?

But if it still bothers you, learn to use the maximum potential of the car with your driving skills.

What am I talking about ..?
Seat Gar Robinson, Randy Pobst,
Sabine Schmitz behind the steering wheel L99 5 gen. and challenge someone in 6 gen. Camaro....

1JEWLDSSRS · 11-20-2020, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by InFiD3ViL

All this goes out the window once the L99 (and TCM tune) is touched. Because then it becomes any other 6.2 liter LS, for all intents and purposes. Yes, it is still an L99, even when an 'LS3 conversion' is done, but that's when it is better to just refer to it as an 6.2 LS.

I guess what I am saying is...yes, in stock form the L99 leaves a lot to be desired - Especially when compared to the stock Coyote, 392, even the Dodge 5.7 (that one hurts). Once modded the L99 can be just as potent as any equally modded LS3, 4.065 inch bored LY6, L94, etc... part for part. I bought my L99 powered SS in totally stock form. It felt quick when I got it...until I went up against some other cars. That is when I said 'Is that all you've got?!'. I was not only surprised, I was actually kinda let down. But that was quickly remedied with $$$.

The problem I have noticed is that somehow the L99 only gets judged in stock form (maybe rightfully so), while that doesn't seem to apply as much to everyone else. I think I am wording this poorly, but I think you all can figure out what I mean. It isn't just the L99 itself that is at fault in stock form. The ECM and TCM tunes are major contributing factors to this. I really think GM dropped the ball on the stock L99 when compared to the LS3, which can primarily be blamed on the AFM and requirement to meet CAFE standards. They castrated the car from the beginning.

Excellently said sir!!

Valkyrie14 · 11-20-2020, 02:50 PM

Could be the problem is sitting in front of the steering wheel.

bayarea408 · 11-20-2020, 03:20 PM

i have heard and been on this end of the gun...but its usually by try hard magazine racers or people who dont know much.

When i was bolton's and tuned by a reputable tuner i was DRASTICALLY faster then anything around my neck of the woods n/a or bolton's, fellow LS3 car victims included.

Early on there was that problem with the car ever seeing 87 octane and being stuck in a weaker fuel map, fixable with a fuse pull. I think this may be what tips most people over on L99's being slow in 100% stock form.

TheFlyingBananaSS · 11-20-2020, 03:38 PM

There's a lane open next to me if you think L99's are slow

This L99 is about to become a 10 second street car.

I ask them how the crow tastes

11-19-2020, 06:09 PM	#1
Marotrent Drives: 2011 Summit White Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Florida Posts: 142	L99 Hate! There's a lot of hate around the 5th gen camaro on YouTube mainly 6th gen owners, but especially people hating on the L99s. On YouTube all you see if 5th gen L99s are slow. Me owning a 2011 L99 full bolt on I know they aren't slow but sheesh were did they get this reputation from?

11-19-2020, 07:07 PM	#4
Bigdumogre Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: New York Posts: 1,434	Most of the 5th gen hate I see and hear is because it’s a heavier car than the 6th gens. It’s always the same thing “ 5th gens need about 100hp more than 6th gens or coyote mustangs to keep up due to being heavier” __________________ 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS - CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3, Texas speed CNC heads, FTI billet triple disc converter, K&N cai, Katech ported TB, GPI Ported/rod modded manifold, Texas speed 1 7/8 headers, HFC, Flowmaster 2 chambers with x pipe, Mishimoto CC, MSD wires, Roto fab washer relocation, tru cool 40k trans cooler, apex scoop, Pedders extreme coil overs and much more!!

11-20-2020, 10:35 AM	#6
1JEWLDSSRS Drives: 2011 SS-RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 11,435	^^^^ me either for that ! lol. I usually leave them behind saying, what just happened?? lol __________________ TSP STAGE 3 CAM,231/246 @112 LSA 614/641 LIFT, CIRCLE D 5C-4200-4500 CONVERTER,LOD INTAKE.CORSA EXHAUST. DSS 1 PC DS. PEGASUS SOLID CRADLE MOUNTS. 486RWHP/475RWTQ.LOTS MORE.

11-20-2020, 10:56 AM	#7
CamaroCracka Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 2,734	If I were a 6th Gen owner and people frequently told me the GenVs look better, which many people do, I might throw a little shade. If they got dusted by a modded GenV their next argument would be that the Gen6 stock vs stock is faster blah blah blah __________________ 2010 SS - On3 kit with downpipe cutout, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1/1LE brakes. 2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. ZL1 brakes.

11-20-2020, 12:11 PM	#8
1JEWLDSSRS Drives: 2011 SS-RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 11,435	^^^^^ lol, yea I hear that too!!! __________________ TSP STAGE 3 CAM,231/246 @112 LSA 614/641 LIFT, CIRCLE D 5C-4200-4500 CONVERTER,LOD INTAKE.CORSA EXHAUST. DSS 1 PC DS. PEGASUS SOLID CRADLE MOUNTS. 486RWHP/475RWTQ.LOTS MORE.

11-19-2020, 06:33 PM	#2
Machh5 Account Suspended Drives: Camaro Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: US Posts: 120	Maybe like the 5th gen v6 camaro rep for being slow. One of the fastest camaros ever built, faster than any 1st 2nd 3rd and some 4ths but they are slow???

11-19-2020, 06:52 PM	#3
Modernmusclecar Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 820	People that have no clue think because the l99 comes with 400 hp and the ls3 has 426 that it's faster. That difference in power is offset by the gearing in the l99 trans. I remember way back on here tge debates over which was faster....you don't see them anymore because the l99 has been proven to run door to door with the ls3. People on Youtube I find hate on the 5th gen regardless of trans. I take the opportunity to ask those bashing the 5th gen what times their cars run at the track. Most of the time the would need to time their 1/4 mile time with a calendar. .....not a clock.

11-19-2020, 08:25 PM	#5
Vegas Bound Account Suspended Drives: 2013 Sparkly Red One Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Hospitality State Posts: 2,558	I don't seem to have any trouble keeping up with any mustang or 6th gen.

11-20-2020, 02:06 PM	#9
InFiD3ViL Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS LS3 Swapped A6 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Spring Hill, FL Posts: 4,574	All this goes out the window once the L99 (and TCM tune) is touched. Because then it becomes any other 6.2 liter LS, for all intents and purposes. Yes, it is still an L99, even when an 'LS3 conversion' is done, but that's when it is better to just refer to it as an 6.2 LS. I guess what I am saying is...yes, in stock form the L99 leaves a lot to be desired - Especially when compared to the stock Coyote, 392, even the Dodge 5.7 (that one hurts). Once modded the L99 can be just as potent as any equally modded LS3, 4.065 inch bored LY6, L94, etc... part for part. I bought my L99 powered SS in totally stock form. It felt quick when I got it...until I went up against some other cars. That is when I said 'Is that all you've got?!'. I was not only surprised, I was actually kinda let down. But that was quickly remedied with $$$. The problem I have noticed is that somehow the L99 only gets judged in stock form (maybe rightfully so), while that doesn't seem to apply as much to everyone else. I think I am wording this poorly, but I think you all can figure out what I mean. It isn't just the L99 itself that is at fault in stock form. The ECM and TCM tunes are major contributing factors to this. I really think GM dropped the ball on the stock L99 when compared to the LS3, which can primarily be blamed on the AFM and requirement to meet CAFE standards. Lower compression, lower redline (heavier valvetrain), smaller cam profile, and a poorly optimized tune really handicapped it from the start. They castrated the L99 car from the beginning. __________________ 2010 CGM Camaro 2SS LS3 Swapped A6 - GPI LS3 SS1 .647/.638, (224/237, 112 +4, 7º overlap) on CamMotion 8620 core, BTR Platinum .660" Dual Spring kit w/titanium retainers, CHE bronze trunnion upgrade, stock heads milled @ .015, Melling HV 10296 oil pump, TSP 1-7/8" long tube headers (W/Catless Off-road Pipes), Corsa Xtreme 3" Catback, GPI Ported/Rod Mod Intake, Stage 2 Ported Throttle Body, Vararam OTR CAI, Mike Norris Gen 2 catch can + GM 1LE clean side separator, 160º thermostat - Megan Racing adjustable coilovers (lowered 1.75"), MRR M017 10/11" wheels-Tuned by Ryan @ GPI Last edited by InFiD3ViL; 11-20-2020 at 02:48 PM.

11-20-2020, 02:45 PM	#10
George-CZ Drives: 2010 2SS LS3 and 1978 STROKER 383 Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 1,592	I'm surprised this distracts you in the enthusiasm for the 5 gen. Camaro. And L99 is slow ...? Even if you have 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, 1000, 1500 horses. There is always someone who will be stronger and faster than you. So why deal with it ..? But if it still bothers you, learn to use the maximum potential of the car with your driving skills. What am I talking about ..? Seat Gar Robinson, Randy Pobst, Sabine Schmitz behind the steering wheel L99 5 gen. and challenge someone in 6 gen. Camaro....

11-20-2020, 02:50 PM	#12
Valkyrie14 Valkyrie14 Drives: Chevrolet Camaro SS Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin Posts: 962	Could be the problem is sitting in front of the steering wheel. __________________ 2014 SS LS3/LSA Supercharger, 10% Super Damper, 2.55 upper, AGP Dual Pump, ID 1050 injectors, Pegasus solid rear cradle bushings, LT Headers, Roto-Fab CAI, Elite E2 catch can, E85 corn fed, 160 Thermostat, Monster Twin Disk, MGW Short Throw shifter, Tick Clutch Master Cylinder, HP Tuners, JL Audio system.

11-20-2020, 03:20 PM	#13
bayarea408 Drives: T Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: CA Posts: 803	i have heard and been on this end of the gun...but its usually by try hard magazine racers or people who dont know much. When i was bolton's and tuned by a reputable tuner i was DRASTICALLY faster then anything around my neck of the woods n/a or bolton's, fellow LS3 car victims included. Early on there was that problem with the car ever seeing 87 octane and being stuck in a weaker fuel map, fixable with a fuse pull. I think this may be what tips most people over on L99's being slow in 100% stock form.

11-20-2020, 03:38 PM	#14
TheFlyingBananaSS Evil Genius of Chevrolet Drives: 2017 Z06, 2019 XTS, 2013 SS Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New York Posts: 3,260	There's a lane open next to me if you think L99's are slow This L99 is about to become a 10 second street car. I ask them how the crow tastes __________________ GPI SS2 VVT cam, ECS Novi 1500 supercharger, Corsa Extreme, Detroit Speed and BMR suspension, Circle D triple disc, Melling oil pump, LS2 chain tensioner, ATI 10% UD, DSX E85 kit, High Energy coils, BTR springs, LS2 Lifter trays, Titanium retainers, hardened push rods, FIC 1000 injectors, ZL1 pump, Mighty Mouse catch can, AEM gauges, Tial BOV, Richmond 3.91 gears, Custom gauge bezels, Speed Engineering headers, Stainless Works HF cats, DSX Aux pump, 710rwhp on E85.