12-30-2012, 03:48 PM | #113 |
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According to the article, the 1LE would have bested the GT500 if they had not had a missed shift that waisted a couple of seconds.
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12-30-2012, 04:10 PM | #114 | |
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the 2.0t ats is 3500 + why would a v8 Camaro weigh 3500+ more like 3700
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12-30-2012, 04:39 PM | #115 | |
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The ATS 2.0 (turbo standard) is 3,373 pounds the ATS 3.6 (Luxury) is 3,461 pounds Of course depending on options and trim levels these cars can pick up weight, most of the 2.0T as tested weight I have seen has been 3,430-3,450 pounds. |
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12-30-2012, 05:02 PM | #116 |
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I'd figure 3,650+ for a 6Gen V8 Camaro.
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12-30-2012, 05:13 PM | #117 |
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SLIGHTLY narrower and shorter wheel base alone will save a good chunk of weight. I'm guessing it will drop from 3900ish to 3500ish.
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12-30-2012, 05:19 PM | #118 |
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If the Camaro was to use the same wheel base as the ATS sedan then consider this, the V-6 Camaro is 3,750 pounds and the V-6 ATS is 3,461 pounds. That is roughly a 300 pound weight savings, if that carries through next Camaro that would put 3,850 pounds to 3,550 pounds.
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12-30-2012, 05:43 PM | #119 |
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Would be a little embarrassing for the blue oval fans.
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I would say you are spot on sir!!! Quote:
car and driver has the weight of the 3.6 at 3535 so I could see a 3500 ibs v6 but at 200lbs will there be enough of a performance difference how much faster is the ats 3.6 vs the Camaro and why no ats at VIR it would have been perfect to see what it can do and how to properly see the alpha in action!
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12-30-2012, 11:31 PM | #121 |
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Not to take anything away from any of the cars but does anyone know which cars were tested on the same day? A lot of speculation about the gt500 having to run on a damp course while the camaro's ran on a dry track.
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12-31-2012, 12:08 AM | #122 | |
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In the Motor Trend test they tested I believe a fully loaded ATS (or near fully loaded) with an as tested price of $49,185. In the earlier Motor Trend test of the 2.0T ATS vs the BMW 328i the 2.0T ATS is priced at $45,910 and was stated in their test to be 3,433 pounds. This isn't a matter of who to believe, its a matter of the difference in weight between a base model and a fully loaded model (which includes but isn't limited to bigger wheels and tires). Though for the sake of apples to apples I like to compare base curb weight with base curb weight. The current lightest V-6 Camaro is the 1/2LT at 3,741 pounds, the 1LS weighs in at 3,780 pounds and the 2LS weighs in at 3,769 pounds (per chevy web site). They have both 1SS and 2SS at 3,860 pounds though I have seen the SS Camaro with a test weight of over 3,900 pounds. With that said the base curb weight of a 2LT Camaro is 3,741 pounds and the base curb weight of the ATS 3.6 is 3,461 pounds a difference of 280 pounds. Also when the ATS was in development there were tricks that they did not take to reduce the ATS weight because it was a luxury vehicle which they could use for the next Camaro. How much of a performance difference will you get with a 300 pound diet????.......With 323BHP and 3,741 pounds the 1LT Camaro has a power to weight ratio of 11.5 pounds per horsepower. A 3,441 pound 321BHP V-6 Camaro would have a power to weight ratio of 10.7 pounds per horsepower. That gives it a power to weight ratio not that far from the 2002 SS Camaro (325BHP and 3,411 pounds). Food for thought.... |
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12-31-2012, 12:09 AM | #123 |
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The GT500 was tested with the ZL1 Camaro and 1LE Camaro (same lightning lap issue) as far as the GT500 having to run on a damp track IDK. It is possible that given how many cars that tested that they tested over weeks and as a result conditions could have changed.
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ZL1, 1LE and GT500 were run on the same day according to the article. |
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12-31-2012, 03:40 AM | #125 |
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Where does it say that?
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12-31-2012, 06:47 AM | #126 |
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Ehhh, I dont know......The ring has alot of long sweeping turns and straights that would make it more of a GT500 type of track.
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