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*Mr. Wyndham* · 08-02-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SoloSK71

I thought those were above 10K for parts only, not counting the computer etc. to control them?

- SK

The entire system is a $2000 option on the Corvette.

2cnd chance · 08-02-2009, 10:40 PM

sept automobile mag. pj jones and david donahue review the cars

see below who else has discovered it.

http://mustangforums.com/forum/s197-...ml#post6389441

no doubt the camaro is better engineered and built.
its a very rigid platform which provides for a better handling car, however the rest of the suspension does not let the chassis perform to its capabilities.
so why not add a suspension package option from the factory (ala WS6 in the TA). remember the mags typically only compare stock vehicles camaro/mustang. I want the camaro to kick the mustang's butt no questions!

luckynuts · 08-02-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ALLT4

Having owned a Corvette with the Z51 suspension I can tell you I'll take my Camaro anyday. The Z51 was way too stiff for comfortable everyday driving. On a course or in the twisties no doubt it made you a rock star with hardly an effort. I want to be able to drive this car everday if need be and the way it's set up right now is the best of both world for me. By all means though if a road course is your thing now and you can take it (the molar jarring bumps) go for it. I don't fault anybody for it, I'm just getting older and want a more enjoyable ride.

2KZ28_For_Now · 08-02-2009, 11:23 PM

TOTALLY AGREED. Someone needs to "make" a lightweight "Track Attack" version of the SS and then let GM and or tuner shops take notice!!

It will NEVER touch a track-spec Vette (not without at least $90K+ in mods), but thats not the point. Cheers.

SoloSK71 · 08-03-2009, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBfromPeoria

The option on new Corvettes isn't near that much. It's $1995.

John B.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

The entire system is a $2000 option on the Corvette.

Is that for the MRS system or the Bose system?

- SK

TomServo · 08-03-2009, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALLT4

Having owned a Corvette with the Z51 suspension I can tell you I'll take my Camaro anyday. The Z51 was way too stiff for comfortable everyday driving. On a course or in the twisties no doubt it made you a rock star with hardly an effort. I want to be able to drive this car everday if need be and the way it's set up right now is the best of both world for me. By all means though if a road course is your thing now and you can take it (the molar jarring bumps) go for it. I don't fault anybody for it, I'm just getting older and want a more enjoyable ride.

That's why it would be an OPTION like on the vette. No one said it would be forced on everyone.

But if you do this:

Then just maybe you'd want a better track package. If you just cruise the drive-in's than the base suspension would work. It's called OPTIONS.

ALLT4 · 08-03-2009, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TomServo

Then just maybe you'd want a better track package. If you just cruise the drive-in's than the base suspension would work. It's called OPTIONS.

Agreed.

Unfair · 08-03-2009, 07:31 AM

The camaro has IRS so isn't it ahead from the get go? why does it need a "track pack" to compete with a solid rear axle?

TomServo · 08-03-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Unfair

The camaro has IRS so isn't it ahead from the get go? why does it need a "track pack" to compete with a solid rear axle?

Because the IRS is only one SMALL portion of a complete high performance suspension. Take a look at the difference between the base vette suspension and RPO Z51 is commonly called the Gymkhana/Autocross suspension.

So jusy having the IRS doesn't make it the best handling car.

Unfair · 08-03-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TomServo

Because the IRS is only one SMALL portion of a complete high performance suspension. Take a look at the difference between the base vette suspension and RPO Z51 is commonly called the Gymkhana/Autocross suspension.

So jusy having the IRS doesn't make it the best handling car.

Well I have heard the IRS is light years ahead of SRA, so i don't see why it needs to be "fixed" with a track package.

*The_Blur* · 08-03-2009, 08:34 AM

Adding a track package suggests that GM needs to add components to keep up. From a marketing perspective, there's simply no justification for such an addition because sales and performance numbers still leave competitors in the dust. Besides, racecars are wonderful, but we want GM to sell inspired cars to everyone. If GM starts producing a track package, then many foolish buyers with too much money and eyes fixed on the best available prpduct will buy those Camaros only to hurt GM in the long run with their complaints about a stiff ride. For serious performers, the aftermarket is better anyway.

GTengineer · 08-03-2009, 08:43 AM

Sometimes while reading this site, I feel like I am at "comfortableminivans.com"

TomServo · 08-03-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Unfair

Well I have heard the IRS is light years ahead of SRA, so i don't see why it needs to be "fixed" with a track package.

If your happy with the "one suspension" fits all category you'll be very happy with the current Camaro and will have no need to spend any more money increasing it's capabilities.

But I wonder what GM will do if they ever release the Z28 since the base suspension is so good they wouldn't need to "tweak" it?

Nine Ball · 08-03-2009, 09:00 AM

Just bring back the 1LE package designation from previous generations. Lighter car with less frills, stiffer suspension components. Problem solved.

The Mustang GT needs an engine, at least the Camaro has the LS engine.

08-02-2009, 11:23 PM	#18
2KZ28_For_Now SS Shotgun Ride?!??! :-) Drives: 2000 Z28 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,549	TOTALLY AGREED. Someone needs to "make" a lightweight "Track Attack" version of the SS and then let GM and or tuner shops take notice!! It will NEVER touch a track-spec Vette (not without at least $90K+ in mods), but thats not the point. Cheers. __________________ LT LS RS SS LS3 LSA-Z28 (Skip the body kit)

08-03-2009, 08:34 AM	#25
The_Blur Moderator Drives: 2018 Harley-Davidson Street Bob Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 14,769	Adding a track package suggests that GM needs to add components to keep up. From a marketing perspective, there's simply no justification for such an addition because sales and performance numbers still leave competitors in the dust. Besides, racecars are wonderful, but we want GM to sell inspired cars to everyone. If GM starts producing a track package, then many foolish buyers with too much money and eyes fixed on the best available prpduct will buy those Camaros only to hurt GM in the long run with their complaints about a stiff ride. For serious performers, the aftermarket is better anyway. __________________ RDP Motorsport//GEN5DIY//Cultrag Performance//JPSS//Rodgets Chevrolet// Operation Demon//Buy at Invoice//RACECARWEAR RESPECT ALL CARS. LOVE YOUR OWN. warn 145:159 ban

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08-03-2009, 09:00 AM	#28
Nine Ball Drives: 1969 & 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,849	Just bring back the 1LE package designation from previous generations. Lighter car with less frills, stiffer suspension components. Problem solved. The Mustang GT needs an engine, at least the Camaro has the LS engine. __________________ Fquick.com/NineBall

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08-02-2009, 10:40 PM	#16
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	sept automobile mag. pj jones and david donahue review the cars see below who else has discovered it. http://mustangforums.com/forum/s197-...ml#post6389441 no doubt the camaro is better engineered and built. its a very rigid platform which provides for a better handling car, however the rest of the suspension does not let the chassis perform to its capabilities. so why not add a suspension package option from the factory (ala WS6 in the TA). remember the mags typically only compare stock vehicles camaro/mustang. I want the camaro to kick the mustang's butt no questions!

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Unfair Banned Drives: 2001 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 754	The camaro has IRS so isn't it ahead from the get go? why does it need a "track pack" to compete with a solid rear axle?