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LT1Zob · 08-23-2016, 12:10 PM

I don't know CA law, but in most states, unless they can prove fraud, they can go pound sand. They made the deal as is.

flipstyledsm22 · 08-23-2016, 12:45 PM

Ignorance is bliss.

acammer · 08-23-2016, 12:50 PM

Subscribing to hear the outcome of this. I would think that they got what they got. Did they asked you something and you flat out lied to them you might have a problem, but other wise I would think that the burden to inspect the car is on them.

Supercharged2011 · 08-23-2016, 01:35 PM

I guess I could understand if the car came back as a salvage title and they wanted their money back but from what I have been reading this does not warrant the car to become salvage title or even having "frame damage".

flipstyledsm22 · 08-23-2016, 01:55 PM

Well obviously they tried to sell it to someone who probably pointed those things out and they lost the sale. Now they are butt hurt and want to double their profit by getting money back from you and probably selling it for market value later. If anything, they are probably crying wolf and hoping you will come running in with cash in hand...

MrChrisLS3 · 08-23-2016, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Supercharged2011

I guess I could understand if the car came back as a salvage title and they wanted their money back but from what I have been reading this does not warrant the car to become salvage title or even having "frame damage".

Well, the problem is that the Camaro is unibody. So technically, the body is the frame. If it were cut to install the roll cage, then the roll cage were cut out, the integrity of the unibody could be compromised. Whether or not the body was repaired after the cage was cut out could be irrelevant, as from a seller/buyer perspective, it is not factory spec, therefore questionable. Bottom line for the dealer is that they cannot sell the car on their lot, liability reasons, and are most likely going to have to wholesale it as a frame damaged car. This depends a lot on the laws governing commercial dealerships in Ca. of course.

tankboyt · 08-23-2016, 02:01 PM

I wouldn't worry about it the dealerships certainly don't when they get the better of the deal.

Steve Dallas · 08-23-2016, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

Well...was there ever a roll cage installed?

As his lawyer, I would recommend he not answer that question. (since forum posts are public)

vinman · 08-23-2016, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by flipstyledsm22

If it was a dealership, mostly likely it was a sale 'as is'. They typically don't want any ties with you after their screwing... It's pretty ironic though, that the dealership is upset with a purchase

Damn it, I forgot to use the sarcasm font!! Just meant it sucks to be that dealer, they would tell you to piss up a rope if you bought used from them, lol

myold88 · 08-23-2016, 02:47 PM

Tell them you spent all the money you got for the car and your broke.
It will probably go away. And like #16 above said. ^^^^^

motorhead · 08-23-2016, 02:58 PM

I would stop talking now and not answer any of the questions being ask of you. Call a lawyer in your state and find out what you are up against. I could see you being liable if you knew of these issues and didn't them aware to the dealer. Especially in California

Mr. Stacy · 08-23-2016, 03:10 PM

Sorry, "buyer beware" applies to the dealer here as it would for anybody who purchases a vehicle. You don't need to disclose anything unless you were specifically asked. They inspected, they bought, end of story.

If you did nothing to misrepresent the vehicle, you are in the clear.

JMHO and YMMV

LT1Zob · 08-23-2016, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by motorhead

I would stop talking now and not answer any of the questions being ask of you. Call a lawyer in your state and find out what you are up against. I could see you being liable if you knew of these issues and didn't them aware to the dealer. Especially in California

I agree with you on most points, especially when you know your dealership likely has shitgrin lawyers on retainer. Don't speak anymore until you know your rights. I know CA is "special" in every way, but the only recourse for the dealer is to prove they were defrauded. I don't think the dealer can prove that though. He didn't sell them a v6 as a zl1, he didn't sell them a salvage title car as a clean title, he simply traded in his Camaro. Not his problem that they now fear it was tracked a lot. The dealer had every opportunity to put that car on a hoist and have its techs check it out before they handed him a check.

motorhead · 08-23-2016, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Stacy

Sorry, "buyer beware" applies to the dealer here as it would for anybody who purchases a vehicle. You don't need to disclose anything unless you were specifically asked. They inspected, they bought, end of story.

If you did nothing to misrepresent the vehicle, you are in the clear.

JMHO and YMMV

That's the way it is here. I wasn't sure what stange law California may have so the reason for my post.

08-23-2016, 12:10 PM	#15
LT1Zob Drives: 23 LT1 / 19 Z06 / after 6 5th gens Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: MI Posts: 1,990 View My Garage	I don't know CA law, but in most states, unless they can prove fraud, they can go pound sand. They made the deal as is. __________________ "Make yourself sheep and the wolves will eat you"

08-23-2016, 12:50 PM	#17
acammer GPI Sales Consultant Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS SGM Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Weedsport, NY Posts: 2,794 View My Garage	Subscribing to hear the outcome of this. I would think that they got what they got. Did they asked you something and you flat out lied to them you might have a problem, but other wise I would think that the burden to inspect the car is on them. __________________ GPI Max Package 2.0: Brodix BR7 heads/GPI porting, MAX3 cam, ST2116LSR, BSR Max Lift rockers, LS7 LSXR with 103mm TB, Vararam OTR, Mcleod RXT, G-Force/Strange 9" IRS setup with 4.63 gear. 551whp, 11.1@124mph. *Got a question about a GPI product? Feel free to shoot me a message!*

08-23-2016, 01:55 PM	#19
flipstyledsm22 Let's go fishing! Drives: a car with 8 cylinders Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Seabrook, Texas Posts: 1,129 View My Garage	Well obviously they tried to sell it to someone who probably pointed those things out and they lost the sale. Now they are butt hurt and want to double their profit by getting money back from you and probably selling it for market value later. If anything, they are probably crying wolf and hoping you will come running in with cash in hand... __________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I’ve never tried before." Mae West 1892-1980

08-23-2016, 02:47 PM	#24
myold88 Drives: SUMMIT WHITE 2SS/RS CAMARO Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: 2018: Lakewood Ranch, Fl. Posts: 8,112 View My Garage	Tell them you spent all the money you got for the car and your broke. It will probably go away. And like #16 above said. ^^^^^ __________________

08-23-2016, 03:10 PM	#26
Mr. Stacy El Duderino Drives: 2011 2LTRS Convertible Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,194 View My Garage	Sorry, "buyer beware" applies to the dealer here as it would for anybody who purchases a vehicle. You don't need to disclose anything unless you were specifically asked. They inspected, they bought, end of story. If you did nothing to misrepresent the vehicle, you are in the clear. JMHO and YMMV __________________ I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback.

08-23-2016, 12:45 PM	#16
flipstyledsm22 Let's go fishing! Drives: a car with 8 cylinders Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Seabrook, Texas Posts: 1,129 View My Garage	Ignorance is bliss. __________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I’ve never tried before." Mae West 1892-1980

08-23-2016, 01:35 PM	#18
Supercharged2011 Drives: 2012 SS Join Date: May 2015 Location: Gig Harbor, Wa Posts: 60	I guess I could understand if the car came back as a salvage title and they wanted their money back but from what I have been reading this does not warrant the car to become salvage title or even having "frame damage".

08-23-2016, 02:01 PM	#21
tankboyt Drives: 2012 2ss m6 Transformers Edition Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Amherst Posts: 18	I wouldn't worry about it the dealerships certainly don't when they get the better of the deal.

08-23-2016, 02:58 PM	#25
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,850	I would stop talking now and not answer any of the questions being ask of you. Call a lawyer in your state and find out what you are up against. I could see you being liable if you knew of these issues and didn't them aware to the dealer. Especially in California