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205 · 12-03-2018, 08:08 PM

I am thinking of purchasing a Livernois 419 or a TSP resleeved LS3 454. Which would you do for the money? This is not a race car. Just a street beast.

zz430camaro · 12-03-2018, 09:10 PM

I think I would go with a 427

205 · 12-04-2018, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by zz430camaro

I think I would go with a 427

Is there a reason behind this? Or just personal preference? I talked to Livernois about the 419 with a 2c camshaft. I think he is giving me a good deal. Might get the PRC heads? Would this make a good street combo? I was thinking maybe the 3c, but don't want to move my torque curve to high in the RPM. Thoughts?

WHAMMO · 12-05-2018, 02:42 AM

224 236 seems ultra small for 419ci+ build. I'd def look at a bigger one. PRC are good for the money but again what kind of PRC heads? Ls7 ,LS7 custom?

I would go with LS7 heads and ported MSD at the minimum with custom cam for it. It would beat your 2c idea by at least 100hp imo(just throwing out numbers but it could be more lol).

Cnc LS3 heads and a custom intake would work too. LS3 intake will become a big restriction with your stroker.

Bo White · 12-05-2018, 04:17 AM

Yeah Id run atleast 235* intake sized cam.

zz430camaro · 12-05-2018, 09:00 AM

The TSP 427 uses a brand new 7.0 block! No resleeves or funky crap. The 7.0 makes great power if paired with awesome heads and the right cam.

What are you trying to do with the car? Keeping in NA? What is your budget?

Stay away from Livernois, stick with TSP.

Livernois Motorsports · 12-05-2018, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 205

I am thinking of purchasing a Livernois 419 or a TSP resleeved LS3 454. Which would you do for the money? This is not a race car. Just a street beast.

Hey man thanks for bringing this up as a topic. Now if you want to use a new block of course we can. Now it will effect overall price but we can build to your budget. My name is Jake call me at 313-561-5500 ext 126. We can discuss whatever build you would like and just so everyone knows we are having specials all month with a 1000$ off any shortblock we have assembled in the shop. Thanks guys

HOJO · 12-05-2018, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by zz430camaro

The TSP 427 uses a brand new 7.0 block! No resleeves or funky crap. The 7.0 makes great power if paired with awesome heads and the right cam.

What are you trying to do with the car? Keeping in NA? What is your budget?

Stay away from Livernois, stick with TSP.

ZZ just curious as to why you say stay away from Livernois. I’ve never heard anything bad about them, but then again I don’t hear everything mentioned. Thoughts

Livernois Motorsports · 12-05-2018, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by zz430camaro

The TSP 427 uses a brand new 7.0 block! No resleeves or funky crap.

Many people don't know this, but we stay away from the LS7 block and stock sleeves because it's actually the weakest block/sleeve in the entire Gen4 engine family. Just research LS7's with cracked sleeves, it's very commonplace. A sleeved 5.3/6.0/6.2 is superior in almost every way beyond bragging rights.

205 · 12-05-2018, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Livernois Motorsports

Many people don't know this, but we stay away from the LS7 block and stock sleeves because it's actually the weakest block/sleeve in the entire Gen4 engine family. Just research LS7's with cracked sleeves, it's very commonplace. A sleeved 5.3/6.0/6.2 is superior in almost every way beyond bragging rights.

I have also heard this

205 · 12-05-2018, 11:59 AM

Jake, I actually talked to Dave yesterday. But I forgot to ask as many questions as needed. He did send me a quote for an assembled short block with cam and chain installed. But, I forgot to mention keeping VVT among other things. To keep costs down, at least for now, I am thinking of sticking with my heads and having them reworked. Same with the intake manifold. I think I will send that off for rod mod/porting. Thanks

205 · 12-05-2018, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by zz430camaro

The TSP 427 uses a brand new 7.0 block! No resleeves or funky crap. The 7.0 makes great power if paired with awesome heads and the right cam.

What are you trying to do with the car? Keeping in NA? What is your budget?

Stay away from Livernois, stick with TSP.

Staying NA. This will just be a street beast. I don't track it. I just don't want to put it back together and a month later regret something.

derieu · 12-05-2018, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 205

Staying NA. This will just be a street beast. I don't track it. I just don't want to put it back together and a month later regret something.

Check your PM's.

Katech 416 is what i'd go.

Livernois Motorsports · 12-05-2018, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 205

Jake, I actually talked to Dave yesterday. But I forgot to ask as many questions as needed. He did send me a quote for an assembled short block with cam and chain installed. But, I forgot to mention keeping VVT among other things. To keep costs down, at least for now, I am thinking of sticking with my heads and having them reworked. Same with the intake manifold. I think I will send that off for rod mod/porting. Thanks

Yes we have specials to get your heads redone. 999$ send us your core's clean with valves and we can do a cnc valve job with a spring upgrade kit. Now Dave will be at PRI for the week so I can try to answer your questions.

12-03-2018, 08:08 PM	#1
205 Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: OK Posts: 161	Help me decide on build... I am thinking of purchasing a Livernois 419 or a TSP resleeved LS3 454. Which would you do for the money? This is not a race car. Just a street beast.

12-05-2018, 02:42 AM	#4
WHAMMO Drives: 13' 1LE Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,640	224 236 seems ultra small for 419ci+ build. I'd def look at a bigger one. PRC are good for the money but again what kind of PRC heads? Ls7 ,LS7 custom? I would go with LS7 heads and ported MSD at the minimum with custom cam for it. It would beat your 2c idea by at least 100hp imo(just throwing out numbers but it could be more lol). Cnc LS3 heads and a custom intake would work too. LS3 intake will become a big restriction with your stroker. __________________ 13' 1LE Old setup: TSP 231-236/Tick 660/.105 PR, UDP, SW LT 2'' & HFC, stock NPP & H pipe, VR-DRX CAI, air scoop, Goertz1 manifold, 102mm BBK, 26" Toyo DRs, Forgestars R17x10 & F18x8, rear seat delete, remote Pat G tune Autocal, 7400 limiter, Spec Mini Twin. 91oct. 11.90@122.3, 0-60ft 2.0 / 11.99@123.6, 0-60ft 2.1 DA+819 ...519RWHP SAE Solid roller SBE LS3, FED, LLSR, 91oct, 605rwhp N/A. Tuned by Pat G. Build by me.

12-03-2018, 09:10 PM	#2
zz430camaro Drives: 2015 1LE Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,485	I think I would go with a 427

12-05-2018, 04:17 AM	#5
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,019	Yeah Id run atleast 235* intake sized cam.

12-05-2018, 09:00 AM	#6
zz430camaro Drives: 2015 1LE Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,485	The TSP 427 uses a brand new 7.0 block! No resleeves or funky crap. The 7.0 makes great power if paired with awesome heads and the right cam. What are you trying to do with the car? Keeping in NA? What is your budget? Stay away from Livernois, stick with TSP.

12-05-2018, 11:59 AM	#11
205 Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: OK Posts: 161	Jake, I actually talked to Dave yesterday. But I forgot to ask as many questions as needed. He did send me a quote for an assembled short block with cam and chain installed. But, I forgot to mention keeping VVT among other things. To keep costs down, at least for now, I am thinking of sticking with my heads and having them reworked. Same with the intake manifold. I think I will send that off for rod mod/porting. Thanks