Which will be more expensive? Hellcat or ZL1?

Z_Rocks · 11-22-2015, 06:10 PM

Which one do you think will be more expensive, give the 2016 hellcat comes loaded with leather and Nav system.
I'm NOT asking which one will be better or more powerful or handle better. Just on Price.

Jeffro19 · 11-22-2015, 07:00 PM

I think it will be really close in price but looking at the price increase from the 5th gen to the 6gen I'm betting the Next ZL1 or Z28 whatever they call it will be priced higher than the hellcat.

Z_Rocks · 11-22-2015, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffro19

I think it will be really close in price but looking at the price increase from the 5th gen to the 6gen I'm betting the Next ZL1 or Z28 whatever they call it will be priced higher than the hellcat.

Although Hellcat got a price increase for 2016, but it's all included. I was actually thinking of a manual Challenger v.s. Manual ZL1 price comparison. Those are the two I'm cross shopping...

ChefBorOzzy · 11-22-2015, 08:10 PM

I'm going to say cheaper than hellcat.. By just a a bit. Z06 is 80k..

Trans damm · 11-22-2015, 09:34 PM

I also think cheaper then hellcat base but more available options to put it over hellcat if optioned out.

Z_Rocks · 11-22-2015, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Trans damm

I also think cheaper then hellcat base but more available options to put it over hellcat if optioned out.

I'm hoping for that, so the base will be less than Hellcat.

A 650 HP on that alpha platform will be nicer than the heavy Hellcat.

Raven87 · 11-23-2015, 12:23 PM

I seriously doubt a $70K plus ZL1 will sell any better than the 5th Gen Z/28.

I might be wrong but I'm betting that if you see that kind of pricing, the ZL1 sales will be embarrassing.

Jeffro19 · 11-23-2015, 01:11 PM

I didn't realize the challenger hellcat pricing for 2016 is now a little over $65k. Knowing this I think the ZL1 or Z28 will be right under this at $63k

TheSpectre · 11-23-2015, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven87

I seriously doubt a $70K plus ZL1 will sell any better than the 5th Gen Z/28.

I might be wrong but I'm betting that if you see that kind of pricing, the ZL1 sales will be embarrassing.

This is what I'm thinking, too.

In a vacuum, the Gen 6 ZL1 at 70k makes sense, considering it will have the LT4 and oodles more performance than an SS, but we don't live in a vacuum.... and you don't want to cannibalize 2SS sales by making the delta too small. Also.... the Z28 was a sales disaster, and with the Z06 being 80k or so... Chevy can't get too close to that, either.

I'm guessing 67-69k. Completely wild ass b.s. guess.

Z_Rocks · 11-23-2015, 03:14 PM

If they can hit the base at $60K, it will be awesome.

Battlezone580 · 11-23-2015, 04:53 PM

My guess is 65k, at least 10k over the 5th Gen ZL1 MSRP.

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Originally Posted by Z_Rocks

I'm hoping for that, so the base will be less than Hellcat.

A 650 HP on that alpha platform will be nicer than the heavy Hellcat.

I agree that would beat the hellcat in a straight line, but the general public doesn't care about that. Think about why the Hellcat is selling so well and for 10k-20k over msrp. Simply because of the HP being so high..

If the ZL1 wants to have a huge draw and sell more then the Hellcat its going to need 750hp+. A 650hp ZL1 will only attract current Chevy fans not out side buyers like the Hellcat IMO.

Z_Rocks · 11-23-2015, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Battlezone580

My guess is 65k, at least 10k over the 5th Gen ZL1 MSRP.

I agree that would beat the hellcat in a straight line, but the general public doesn't care about that. Think about why the Hellcat is selling so well and for 10k-20k over msrp. Simply because of the HP being so high..

If the ZL1 wants to have a huge draw and sell more then the Hellcat its going to need 750hp+. A 650hp ZL1 will only attract current Chevy fans not out side buyers like the Hellcat IMO.

You point is well taken. I agree. A 650+ will only attract Chevy customers. But going into 750+, will need lots of changes to suspension, brakes, cooling and drive train, which will put it in the $80k-$90K range.
I saw a hellcat loosing to previous gen mustang (a NA engine), because hellcat couldn't get traction, and mustang was gone by the time hellcat stopped spinning.

Trans damm · 11-23-2015, 06:12 PM

No way this car is going to start at 65k. Not even a chance. The SS is a gen 5 zl1 for 47k. 59,995 is the highest it will be for a base Z.

Battlezone580 · 11-23-2015, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_Rocks

You point is well taken. I agree. A 650+ will only attract Chevy customers. But going into 750+, will need lots of changes to suspension, brakes, cooling and drive train, which will put it in the $80k-$90K range.
I saw a hellcat loosing to previous gen mustang (a NA engine), because hellcat couldn't get traction, and mustang was gone by the time hellcat stopped spinning.

Yea I agree with you as well that would put it around 80-90k which wouldn't work out for chevy sales wise. Plus chevy never puts out more hp than its top model corvette which has 640hp right?

Yea the Hellcat, GT500, and ZL1 all spin a lot. My Friend has a GT500 and when we race the person who gets the better launch wins. These cars take awhile to get down, launching perfect is hard.. My tires won't even hook when its cold unless I do a burnout and really warm the tires up.

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Z_Rocks Drives: everyone crazy... Join Date: May 2009 Location: SW Florida Posts: 2,109	Which will be more expensive? Hellcat or ZL1? Which one do you think will be more expensive, give the 2016 hellcat comes loaded with leather and Nav system. I'm NOT asking which one will be better or more powerful or handle better. Just on Price.

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Jeffro19 Drives: 2018 ZL1 6M, Silverado High Country Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 2,101	I think it will be really close in price but looking at the price increase from the 5th gen to the 6gen I'm betting the Next ZL1 or Z28 whatever they call it will be priced higher than the hellcat. __________________ Previous Camaro's - 2002 Z28 6 spd manual, T tops, Sebring Silver - 2010 2SS 6 spd manual, Cyber Gray Metallic Current Vehicles - 2018 ZL1 Red Hot 6 spd manual, Carbon Hood, Sunroof 2019 Silverado High Country, Daily Driver

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Raven87 C'mon- really? Drives: Looking for a ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Nortwestern Ohio Posts: 1,966 View My Garage	I seriously doubt a $70K plus ZL1 will sell any better than the 5th Gen Z/28. I might be wrong but I'm betting that if you see that kind of pricing, the ZL1 sales will be embarrassing. __________________ Steve 2018 Camaro 2SS 1LE Black #3805 - SOLD

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Jeffro19 Drives: 2018 ZL1 6M, Silverado High Country Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 2,101	I didn't realize the challenger hellcat pricing for 2016 is now a little over $65k. Knowing this I think the ZL1 or Z28 will be right under this at $63k __________________ Previous Camaro's - 2002 Z28 6 spd manual, T tops, Sebring Silver - 2010 2SS 6 spd manual, Cyber Gray Metallic Current Vehicles - 2018 ZL1 Red Hot 6 spd manual, Carbon Hood, Sunroof 2019 Silverado High Country, Daily Driver

11-22-2015, 08:10 PM	#4
ChefBorOzzy Drives: 2016 F150 Join Date: May 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,196	I'm going to say cheaper than hellcat.. By just a a bit. Z06 is 80k..

11-22-2015, 09:34 PM	#5
Trans damm Drives: Trans am Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Nyc Posts: 565	I also think cheaper then hellcat base but more available options to put it over hellcat if optioned out.

11-23-2015, 03:14 PM	#10
Z_Rocks Drives: everyone crazy... Join Date: May 2009 Location: SW Florida Posts: 2,109	If they can hit the base at $60K, it will be awesome.

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Trans damm Drives: Trans am Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Nyc Posts: 565	No way this car is going to start at 65k. Not even a chance. The SS is a gen 5 zl1 for 47k. 59,995 is the highest it will be for a base Z.

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