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Old 04-11-2009, 10:28 AM   #43
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Badger. They have one day left on Ebay. I do not think people would be happy if I yanked them. The I would just piss off a different group. Again I cannot win either way. Dan
Nuff said Dan...And I don't mean any Disrespect...I simply asked a Question and you answered it....Thank You Sir.
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Old 04-11-2009, 10:29 AM   #44
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Sounds like an Socialist supporter right there

He owes you nothing but a good product and to stand behind that product with excellent customer service.
How many of you tools are directly impacted by his decision to order a car, and sell it how he sees fit? Nobody.
He wouldn't have a car to sell on ebay if the free market had been allowed to work and I might have been able to buy a big chunk of GM for pennies on the dollar if the bondholders hadn't been able to bribe the government. What do you mean I'm a socialist? I'm all for the free market so long as it applies to all equally.
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Old 04-11-2009, 10:35 AM   #45
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He wouldn't have a car to sell on ebay if the free market had been allowed to work and I might have been able to buy a big chunk of GM for pennies on the dollar if the bondholders hadn't been able to bribe the government. What do you mean I'm a socialist? I'm all for the free market so long as it applies to all equally.
I said 'Sounds like a socialist supporter', never called you a socialist.

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It is our business, every American taxpayer owns part of his business. He's living on our tax dollars because his way of doing things almost put him out of business. He should listen to some of the advice on here and take an ethics class.
You said as a taxpayer, you own part of his business. YOu don't own one red cent of his business, that is how a socialist government would have things.

I'm done trying to reason with people who think they know it all
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Old 04-11-2009, 10:39 AM   #46
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As an FYI, Ebay has teams out there encouraging them to put new car listings on their site (So EBay can make money). I (personally) see no point in using EBay unless it's for a used vehicle.

As for orders, the dealerships can do what they want with the allocation. Pre-orders, lot cars, whatever. If they order two lot cars, then have a customer come in - they can work it the way they want. There's no laws or rules here. I see no reason to burn someone for this. And this isn't the first time, and won't be the last.
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I agree with Scotty.

For the record, I have never seen a dealer on any forum (Corvette, Camaro, GM, etc.) win an argument with forum members when it comes to sales practices, philosophy or the like. I think that Dan tried to explain his side calmly but as you can see, it's a "NO WIN" proposition.

I tried it when I first joined this forum, got in a big argument and realized what I'm doing here now is more productive.

Just my humble opinion.
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Old 04-11-2009, 10:51 AM   #48
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Like I said earlier. It is what it is. Here is what I do know. I go to Chevrolet meetings and I have a little more information than the average salesperson when it comes to availability and what the early production numbers will be. if a dealer wishes to give employee pricing or discounts on Camaro's that is obviously his right. I did know that the ramp up was going to be very slow..I do not think we will ever agree on what is the best way to handle this situation. I know one thing alot of people will be dissapionted by the fact that they will not get their cars built as fast as they want or were promised. I have been in this business a long time and have seen what dealers do when they take deposits. Many end up moving people up on the list and alot of people get upset when they left a deposit first. I did not want to get into that game and I decided to not take deposits. you can flame me all you want but the fact is that more people will be pissed when they left a deposit and the dealer cannot get them a car. It is early yet but I think in time you will see even in this forum that people will get jerked around by people promising them the world. I on the other hand have made no promises. I ordered 2 cars so far and put them on Ebay. When more product becomes available..I am sure things will change. I understand some of the anger that I have recieved but to be honest I think it is getting a little out of hand. You can personally attack someone you have never met online and that is fine. I posted my number on the forum and was open and still am to speak with anyone that may call. I did not join the forum to sell cars. I joined the forum to give my side of some comments that I saw posted. I do not see many people that personally put themselves out their and do it. I just think the attacks on my character and my decisions are a little out of line. I have not been "bailed" out by anyone. I am a normal guy just like you who happens to sell cars for a living. But then again that statement already makes me an enemy to most of you. Enough said. To the people that have sent me nice emails and understand the situation I Thank You. To the others that are using me to vent all the anger they have about the lack of production.All I have to say is I am sorry you feel that way. Dan
Nobody's attacking you personally, just your way of doing business. Frankly, I think your trolling here looking for desperate folks to bid up your ebay cars, thats not a judgment, just an observation. I think your business method is short-sighted as I personally, have almost reached the end of my rope with this pre-order nonsense. If I bail on this car it won't hurt you in particular, but it will be one less build for the company as a whole and that makes a difference. I've never believed UAW was the problem with GM, but I do think dishonest salespeople play a role. I know I hate having to worry about being taken advantage of when buying a car from a dealer. This has kept me out of the showroom in the past, and It might keep me from buying this time around as well.
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I said 'Sounds like a socialist supporter', never called you a socialist.


You said as a taxpayer, you own part of his business. YOu don't own one red cent of his business, that is how a socialist government would have things.

I'm done trying to reason with people who think they know it all
I never said I know it all, just think my perspective is better in regards to this issue, and I'm not saying I literally own a part of his business, but if the free market had been allowed to work, I might have.
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The bottom line is that these 2 cars were not ordered for the first 2 customers that came in and ordered. You ordered your first two specifically for your dealership, which is the wrong way to do business in my opinion. The first person to walk into your dealership and order a Camaro should get the FIRST Camaro that you order. There is no good reason to do this other than seeing the dollar signs in your eyes. Does the person that ordered first know that he is starting out at #3? My bet is that if he did, he would no longer have an order placed with you. The fact that you placed stock orders in front of sold orders would tell me that you would be willing to bump me down the list if someone else came in and offered to pay more. I personally would rather be #10 at a dealership that I have respect for than be #3 at your shady, Mickey Mouse operation. Thats all I have to say about that.
I thought that GM said there had to be a customer's name on the orders???
to show that the orders were for people not the dealership?

(he didnt do any SOLD orders.. he turn customers away from preordering, read it in another thread)
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I thought that GM said there had to be a customer's name on the orders???
to show that the orders were for people not the dealership?

(he didnt do any SOLD orders.. he turn customers away from preordering, read it in another thread)
Not if he ordered AFTER the sold pre-order period (march 15th). The allocations are for dealers to do what they want with, stock or sold orders. Allocation was through quarter 3 - their choice what they want to do with it.

And there are MANY MANY MANY dealers doing this.
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Old 04-11-2009, 11:03 AM   #52
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I took NO DEPOSITS..I HAD NO SOLD ORDERS..

You know at this point I have posted my thoughts and I will leave it at that. Night folks.

Dan
Yeah BUT you had a guy in your dealership that wanted to PREORDER a car...
and YOU TURNED HIM AWAY ?!?!?!?!

that is not about a deposit.. that is about your desire to sell on ebay.. GREED.. if he would of preordered it, it would be getting made just for him.. and he wouldnt care if it came in now or 4 months from now BECAUSE he was EXCITED and motivated about CHEVY and WANTED TO PREORDER a CAMAO and BE IN the RUSH (JOY, not quick)...

BUT YOU TOLD HIM NO... SO instead of really selling a car to a local down the street guy whoe wanted to give you thousands of dollars you turned him down and told him you didnt want to pre-order a CAMARO for him...
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Not if he ordered AFTER the sold pre-order period (march 15th). The allocations are for dealers to do what they want with, stock or sold orders. Allocation was through quarter 3 - their choice what they want to do with it.

And there are MANY MANY MANY dealers doing this.
so he ordered his 2 unspoken Camaros AFTER 3/15 and is already getting them before 4/15 ???? GM should slow be doing all the Pre-ORDERS (by people) first .... tsk tsk
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What's the actual MSRP of the car and what's your reserve price set at?

I really don't understand what kind of economic environment dealers think we're in. Screwing people when everyone is having a hard time is generally a terrible idea.
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so he ordered his 2 unspoken Camaros AFTER 3/15 and is already getting them before 4/15 ???? GM should slow be doing all the Pre-ORDERS (by people) first .... tsk tsk
By law it can't work that way - every dealer gets "X" amount of cars. They can't be told HOW to sell them, HOW MUCH to sell them for, or WHERE to sell them.

There is a formula for distribution (Covered in the forums countless times) and when a dealer has consensus to submit an order, they will do so, sold or not...It's a straw pulling thing that I'm sure no one likes, not even me...but that's how it works, that's how it's done by all manufacturers. They have a right to the product they're licensed to sell, and cannot be told that because one isn't "sold" you can't have it.

The great thing is, this is the USA. You can buy from who ever makes you comfortable, your choice. And THANKS to our troops who have fought for our freedoms such as this little one, past, present, and future. :flag1:
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By law it can't work that way - every dealer gets "X" amount of cars. They can't be told HOW to sell them, HOW MUCH to sell them for, or WHERE to sell them.

There is a formula for distribution (Covered in the forums countless times) and when a dealer has consensus to submit an order, they will do so, sold or not...It's a straw pulling thing that I'm sure no one likes, not even me...but that's how it works, that's how it's done by all manufacturers. They have a right to the product they're licensed to sell, and cannot be told that because one isn't "sold" you can't have it.

The great thing is, this is the USA. You can buy from who ever makes you comfortable, your choice. And THANKS to our troops who have fought for our freedoms such as this little one, past, present, and future. :flag1:
Well said Scotty

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