2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT 500 650 HP! How will it stack up against the ZL1?

[vroomapunk]

Originally Posted by fldrummer

I fit all of this in my Camaro (The 5-foot-long hardware bag for all the stands [I call it the "body bag"], rack toms, and mic stands all fit in the trunk; the rest in the back seat, folded down, and front passenger seat):


...Oh, and I'm 6'1" too and have inches of head-room to spare (did you remember to lower the driver's seat when [if] you sat in one?). I cannot lie though; it would all fit much easier in a Challenger, for sure, but the Challenger just isn't my style--to each his own, as they say.

Yeah, I am also a tall drummer lol, and If I could fit my entire drum kit in my 4th gen using the back seat and rear deck, then it MUST fit in the 5th gen.

And I have no problem with head room in my 4th gen, or when Ive sat in a 5th gen. 6'3" here

[svttim]

Has the conversation really turned to trunk space

[SRT8Tech]

Well if the suppliers of the Dodge parts didnt think they were made of gold it would be better. Sheeeeet, you could have the same part in a Ford, Chevy and Dodge and that supplier will make sure that part is 100 times more for the Dodge. And damn, the parts markup at the counter!!! Wheeeewww, thats a whole different story.

[foreignl99]

brb running 11s with hci

[Gxproadster]

thank god for the pony wars where would we be without the camaro and mustang, life would =boring

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

Well we havent seen any times for the ZL1 or the new GT500 yet soooooooo the 392 is still right at the top of the list. Beats the GT, BOSS, SS and right at the GT500 stock. (My 12.25 to the GT500's 12.08) Nice try though. As for irrelevant, no big deal you cant accept that the 392 is faster than the GT, BOSS and SS stock. As for the "cool list", we dont even need to go there because we know what car gets the most attention.


Also, where did you get "8.2L 600hp" from? The Viper?? If so, the Viper isnt 8.2L anymore, its 8.4L and the new Viper will be even more. As far as "not seeing it in my life", if you are talking about the Viper, Ive most likely driven WAYYYYYYY more Vipers than you have and if I really wanted one I could go buy one right now. No big deal.

The BOSS is faster than the 392. Just not with the stock tires (well it may be actually...havent looked into it lately). It has went 11.7 at 117 bone stock with DR's (with only one of the few people that tried it last time I checked). And if you really think it is right with a GT500 stock for stock....thats your own opinion I guess.

The lowly GT has matched your 12.2 stock (with stock tires) as well...so I would call a 392 vs GT 5.0 a drivers race with edge to the 392.

I would say the camaro gets the most attention. Sales would tend to agree. Challenger is not far behind though...good looking car.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by foreignl99

brb running 11s with hci

Cartek went 11.0 @ 128. H/C stock bottom end. They had a fast 102 but no 102 TB...that is another 10hp on the table as well. Still also using ported stock castings...another ~15 hp on the table. They couldnt cut a 60 better than 1.65 due to clutch issues.. They should be mid 10's eventually. 3800lb race weight (just wheels and tires with passenger seat removed) and a stick.

[JusticePete]

I started my performance car addiction young with a 1968 HEMI Dodge Charger. The LX and LC platforms were the second Muscle Car we added to Pedders USA portfolio. We have a Petty built Challenger that we partnered on to create a road course version. Done up like out Pedders USA Camaro and Mustang we are pulling 1.4 Gs with it. That is a hair better than what we get out of the Camaro and about a hair and a half better than the Mustang. Long story short, we know all three platforms intimately.

Here is the break down.

Camaro IRS is the best rear suspension of the group.
The Challenger / LX/C has the best front end geometry.
The Mustang is the lightest and it shows on all tracks.
Overall, the best chassis in terms of geometry is the Challenger with a competent IRS and upper front wishbone style control arms.

When they are all built to the max, they run so close together it is hard to believe. Out of all the late model cars I have been involved with my favorite is the Camaro. The Camaro had the best combination / balance of the three. None of the three own any of the other two.

Take it leave it I can support all of this with page after page of testing and track documentation. I wanted to get this posted in the thread before the Mods lock it due to unpleasant behavior

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

The lowly GT has matched your 12.2 stock (with stock tires) as well...so I would call a 392 vs GT 5.0 a drivers race with edge to the 392.

Woah, what? I thought 12.3x was the hero run for the 5.0L! The only notable video of a 5.0 running 12.2 that I recall was one with DRs, and IIRC it was the awesome man himself, wbt, that posted it.

[SRT8Tech]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Woah, what? I thought 12.3x was the hero run for the 5.0L! The only notable video of a 5.0 running 12.2 that I recall was one with DRs, and IIRC it was the awesome man himself, wbt, that posted it.

Finally somebody else that knows the real deal. The best time BONE STOCK for the BOSS is 12.3 @ 116, the best for the GT500 is 12.08 @ 118 and the best for the 392 is 12.25 @ 113.86. I know the best 5.0 run is in the 12.5-6 range. This is all on the STOCK TIRES!!!!! SO I guess that jerkoff doesnt know what he is talking about. And as for the 2011-2012 Viper deal. Yep youre right, I cant buy one of those but I can buy the MANY 2010's that are still on the lots.

[serpent]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

The BOSS is faster than the 392. Just not with the stock tires (well it may be actually...havent looked into it lately). It has went 11.7 at 117 bone stock with DR's (with only one of the few people that tried it last time I checked). And if you really think it is right with a GT500 stock for stock....thats your own opinion I guess.

I agree with the BOSS being faster than the 392, maybe not many have taken their BOSS to the 1/4 track, but on a road course the BOSS driven by the same driver/same day doing timed laps would show how much a -500lb weight advantage is.
I understand the 392 has +30hp and +90tq advantage, but that still isn't enough to overcome the quarter of a ton the Challenger is lugging around!

[SRT8Tech]

Originally Posted by RedRooster

I'd hope so considering the 392 costs $15k more than the GT and the SS do, and $5k more than the Boss does. It's certainly not the better bang for the buck, and I'd wager my GT is faster than your 392 with the few hundred in mods I have in it.

Whuuut?? I paid 45k OTD for my 392.....The Boss's that were on the lots here were going for 55k+ OTD. I dont doubt that a modded 5.0 can beat my stock 392 either. I have a bunch of friends with the 5.0. Some modded ones can beat me and some cant.

[SRT8Tech]

Sorry mods......... You know why

[Khell]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

Yeerr funnay with alot of yeeerrrr wrong facts. LOL

My stock 392 time beats the best stock BOSS time. Ohhhh, I guess you didnt know that.

Viper slower.........wow I just saw the 2010 Viper rape the ZR1 "record" ring time. Oooopps, I guess you didnt know that either.

Nope cant get a 2011-2012 viper but i can get one of the many 2010's still on the lot. Ohhhh, by the way 2012 isnt done yet you know that right. Wait for the NEW Viper late 2012. Ohhhhh, you didnt know that either.

Ill never see a V10 Challenger in my life??? HUH, i guess that one in the showroom is a fantasy??? yeah, the 2011 Drag Pack Challenger. OOppppps, didnt know that either???

Also, that BEST TIME OF 12.08 2011 GT500 is pretty close to the 12.25 392 time. It took him a while to do that 12.08 time too.

Have a nice day

Actually the fast time right now for a 2011+ 5.0 is 12.23 @ 115.18 with a 1.893 60FT. Posted over at SVTperformance by the user Pure Stock. Everyone knows the Boss is faster trapping in a 117+ speed which if it could hook up would be a 12.0x pass i bet. As for the GT500 everyone knows it has traction problems but the fastest DR only 2011 GT500 has run a 11.14 I believe with videos on youtube.

Dont get me wrong the challenger is a great car. Im a fan of all the muscle cars but we all know that its 460+ hp (we all know its underrated) barely makes up for the 600 lb difference. Dont you need 10rwhp to make up for 100 lbs?

Everyone has great vehicles out at this time and i'd be proud to own any muscle car out there.