Do I really need Mag Ride? - Page 3

MEDISIN · 08-10-2017, 08:25 AM

I will not buy another GM vehicle without MRC.

It's not that it's softer/more comfortable on the road vs standard shocks. It's the confidence felt over rough patches, and the lack of body roll on quick maneuvers (swerve around an errant garbage can by the curb) that I notice the biggest difference. In track mode it is stiff and responsive, not ruffled by curbs and the like. For a daily driver with occasional track use, it is the ideal blend of comfort and performance at the push of a button.

As for durability, my CTS-V is 6 years old. I had the front passenger side shock replaced under warranty at 600 miles for a small leak. Since then, no problems.

brihorse · 08-10-2017, 08:34 AM

I don't have it so I don't miss it. I don't notice the ride being harsh in my SS even with it being on lowering springs. I also had no intention of getting a convertible until I test drove 3 or 4 different 5th gens for a week at a time through work and they were all convertibles. After that I was hooked. I couldn't pass up the killer deal on my car, the rims would have been too expensive to purchase from the dealership if they weren't already on the window sticker.

DenverTaco07 · 08-10-2017, 08:41 AM

do i really need real maple syrup, or USDA Prime cuts of beef...???

HELL YES I DO!!!

Eric SS · 08-10-2017, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sengli

Lets not forget the one thing no one likes to here about. When these shocks fail they are like $800 a piece to replace. Some guys on the Gen5 site who had the ZL1's, had theirs fail in some cases at 40k miles or so. They began to leak fluid.

No they're not. They're $384 each. Price has come down a lot.

Curr · 08-10-2017, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sengli

Lets not forget the one thing no one likes to here about. When these shocks fail they are like $800 a piece to replace. Some guys on the Gen5 site who had the ZL1's, had theirs fail in some cases at 40k miles or so. They began to leak fluid.

For f*cks sake no they are not $800 a piece. Stop posting this drivel, or at least do a minimal amount of research before spouting off. Jesus.

You can get them for around $325 / each. And the first generation were prone to leak, the current gen have not shown any tendencies.

To the OP: I had it in my C7, and now in my 50th 2SS Convertible. I drive in New England where we have tons of sh*tty roads, and it's great. Completely worth the money.

KILLA BEE · 08-10-2017, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by crankaholic

The only downside to MRC is that you're stuck with stock damping and more-or-less stock spring rates, a bit of an issue if you want to lower the car and retain it's track performance. Not having MRC allows you to splurge on a set of custom valved/sprung coilovers. If you're not going to do that, go for MRC - tour mode is supple and track mode is properly good for back roads and occasional track days.

Eibach springs are great for Mag ride and have a 1.5 drop front and rear. People love them I'm getting a set.

Lafourche1 · 08-10-2017, 09:45 AM

Personally, it was a must have. I've done a 4,150 mile and a 2,200 mile road trip with my car and it is pleasure to set in touring mode and relax.

I also track my car a fair bit. I find the MRC, in Track Mode, to be very good. Minimal body roll and a very good "seat of the pants" feeling for when the car is going to let go.

BrianL · 08-10-2017, 10:03 AM

I was also on the fence. Drove both. If I could have found the car optioned with it, at the right price, I would have done it. But it wasn't a "must have" for me personally, and the car I found at the price point and options I did have on my "must have" list didn't have it. To me, it was on the "nice to have" option list and I have no regrets. The technology is great though, so I would have no concerns with reliability for the system.

keon718nyc · 08-10-2017, 10:11 AM

Drove a Camaro in NYC without mag ride and think without it wouldn't be a doable thing for me at least on these pothole filled roads i live near. I don't think i ever took it off tour mode since i tried it in sport and track LOL. Put me back in Florida where the roads are smooth 90% of the time, then maybe i would have considered to not get the mag suspension.

crankaholic · 08-10-2017, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLA BEE

Eibach springs are great for Mag ride and have a 1.5 drop front and rear. People love them I'm getting a set.

I have a set of Eibach springs, love them. They are a street spring though - progressive rates meant more for retaining a good ride/handling balance vs all out performance. Also there's only so much companies can do without re-calibrating MRC.

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Originally Posted by keon718nyc

Drove a Camaro in NYC without mag ride and think without it wouldn't be a doable thing for me at least on these pothole filled roads i live near. I don't think i ever took it off tour mode since i tried it in sport and track LOL. Put me back in Florida where the roads are smooth 90% of the time, then maybe i would have considered to not get the mag suspension.

^This... I go into tour mode and have a permanent cringe face when I drive in NYC. All other sports cars without adjustable suspensions that I've driven were much worse though...

Atomic Ed · 08-10-2017, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by crankaholic

The only downside to MRC is that you're stuck with stock damping and more-or-less stock spring rates, a bit of an issue if you want to lower the car and retain it's track performance. Not having MRC allows you to splurge on a set of custom valved/sprung coilovers. If you're not going to do that, go for MRC - tour mode is supple and track mode is properly good for back roads and occasional track days.

Actually, the basis of the MRC is the fact that the dampening is being continuously changed many times a second depending on the setting and feedback from the road.

I don't see how a coilovers are going to give you the variable dampening range that the MRC system does. And if you really want to go whole hog, there is a new controller on the market for our MRC systems that actively adjusts each shock depending on how you set up the responses regarding G-force, acceleration, braking, speed, etc. 95% of the folks won't want to spend the money for this new controller for a MRC upgrade, but if you do, it's out there.

Edit: I see I just echoed Ryephile's post. My bad.

avalonandl · 08-10-2017, 01:27 PM

Yes in Michigan with our cratered roads......

KILLA BEE · 08-10-2017, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by crankaholic

I have a set of Eibach springs, love them. They are a street spring though - progressive rates meant more for retaining a good ride/handling balance vs all out performance. Also there's only so much companies can do without re-calibrating MRC.

^This... I go into tour mode and have a permanent cringe face when I drive in NYC. All other sports cars without adjustable suspensions that I've driven were much worse though...

I cant wait to get mine bro. the 1.5 drop is awesome.

crankaholic · 08-10-2017, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Atomic Ed

Actually, the basis of the MRC is the fact that the dampening is being continuously changed many times a second depending on the setting and feedback from the road.

I don't see how a coilovers are going to give you the variable dampening range that the MRC system does. And if you really want to go whole hog, there is a new controller on the market for our MRC systems that actively adjusts each shock depending on how you set up the responses regarding G-force, acceleration, braking, speed, etc. 95% of the folks won't want to spend the money for this new controller for a MRC upgrade, but if you do, it's out there.

Edit: I see I just echoed Ryephile's post. My bad.

I think that MRC is superior to standard shock tech! I don't see how it can be argued. The range of instant adjustability is unbeatable. However, stock shocks for our cars are steel and the valving could probably be improved on as well; an expensive set of coilovers will have forged aluminum bodies and more intricate valving. When upgraded plug-and-play shocks are available on the aftermarket, along with people who have real experience tuning these things via the DSC controller, there won't be a single argument for traditional coilovers

Edit: the ZL1 1LE loses like 60-80lbs just from going to forged aluminum shocks! That's not peanuts for a mostly unsprung component.

08-10-2017, 08:25 AM	#29
MEDISIN Drives: 2011 CTS-V Sedan Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Posts: 1,505 View My Garage	I will not buy another GM vehicle without MRC. It's not that it's softer/more comfortable on the road vs standard shocks. It's the confidence felt over rough patches, and the lack of body roll on quick maneuvers (swerve around an errant garbage can by the curb) that I notice the biggest difference. In track mode it is stiff and responsive, not ruffled by curbs and the like. For a daily driver with occasional track use, it is the ideal blend of comfort and performance at the push of a button. As for durability, my CTS-V is 6 years old. I had the front passenger side shock replaced under warranty at 600 miles for a small leak. Since then, no problems. __________________ 2012 - Present: 2011 CTS-V Sedan, A6, Airaid, Zmax TB and Tune by R.P.M. = 535 hp/503 lb-ft. 2009 - 2012: 2010 2SS RS IBM M6, MGW Shifter, BMR Trailing Arms/Tunnel Brace, Roto-Fab CAI, VMAX Ported TB, Kooks 6511-Complete (Headers, X-Pipe, Mufflers), dyno tuned by R.P.M. = 415 hp/412 lb-ft. "Not giving a f^k is truly the greatest luxury, and no luxury car gives fewer f^k's than a CTS-V." - Matt Hardigree

08-10-2017, 08:34 AM	#30
brihorse Detroit Muscle Drives: 68 C10 Stepside,87 Grand Natl Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Grand Ledge, MI Posts: 139	I don't have it so I don't miss it. I don't notice the ride being harsh in my SS even with it being on lowering springs. I also had no intention of getting a convertible until I test drove 3 or 4 different 5th gens for a week at a time through work and they were all convertibles. After that I was hooked. I couldn't pass up the killer deal on my car, the rims would have been too expensive to purchase from the dealership if they weren't already on the window sticker. __________________ 2016 2SS Vert, Polished Forged Wheels, Auto, NPP, Navigation, Suede Knee Bolsters, Footwell Lighting, GM 1LE Front Splitter, 50th Grille w/Satin Chrome Accents, BMR 1" Lowering Springs

08-10-2017, 08:41 AM	#31
DenverTaco07 Drives: 2017 SS 1LE, 2017 Volt, 2013 Pilot Join Date: May 2014 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,274	do i really need real maple syrup, or USDA Prime cuts of beef...??? HELL YES I DO!!! __________________ 2017 SS 1LE \| HBM \| Vortech V3-Si supercharger (620RWHP and 575ft lbs) \| PDR \| Black Bowties \| Illuminated Front Black Bowtie \| Illuminated Door Sills \| Smoked Tails \| vented seats mod

08-10-2017, 09:45 AM	#35
Lafourche1 Drives: 2019 CLA 450 Mercedes Join Date: May 2016 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 1,107	Personally, it was a must have. I've done a 4,150 mile and a 2,200 mile road trip with my car and it is pleasure to set in touring mode and relax. I also track my car a fair bit. I find the MRC, in Track Mode, to be very good. Minimal body roll and a very good "seat of the pants" feeling for when the car is going to let go. Attached Images __________________ 2019 Lunar Blue Metallic Mercedes CLS 450 2021 C43 AMG Mercedes Coupe Metallic Cardinal Red 2014 Lincoln MKT EcoBoost (The Bus)

08-10-2017, 01:27 PM	#40
avalonandl Drives: 2019 ZL-1 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Troy, MI & Naples, FL Posts: 2,019	Yes in Michigan with our cratered roads...... __________________ 2019 ZL-1 Acquired 4/23/21 at 6300 miles. Riverside Blue, A10, PDR. Traded in 2017 2SS with 6M and 32k miles. Continental Extreme Contact Sports. Now has 10,000 miles... 2012 Yukon XL Denali w/ 6.2 AWD

08-10-2017, 10:03 AM	#36
BrianL Drives: 2016 2SS, Red Hot, NPP, Nav, M6 Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Eagle Creek OR Posts: 783	I was also on the fence. Drove both. If I could have found the car optioned with it, at the right price, I would have done it. But it wasn't a "must have" for me personally, and the car I found at the price point and options I did have on my "must have" list didn't have it. To me, it was on the "nice to have" option list and I have no regrets. The technology is great though, so I would have no concerns with reliability for the system.

08-10-2017, 10:11 AM	#37
keon718nyc Drives: Challenger SP Shaker/Arcadia Denali Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: New York City Posts: 1,928	Drove a Camaro in NYC without mag ride and think without it wouldn't be a doable thing for me at least on these pothole filled roads i live near. I don't think i ever took it off tour mode since i tried it in sport and track LOL. Put me back in Florida where the roads are smooth 90% of the time, then maybe i would have considered to not get the mag suspension.

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