When will the 7th gen arrive? - Page 5

Gen6_1Le · 08-28-2018, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Maybe, but the 6th gen definitely carried over the 5th gen refresh styling. I think they were hoping to make the 6th gen refresh enough of a deviation that the 7th gen could continue it, while moving on from the 1st gen influence.

Smaller will not work. The 6th gen is too small, in my opinion.

I really think the 7th Gen is going to put to rest everything we know as a Camaro except great performance. Some nice style carried over from the 5th gen to the 6th, but the 6th buried the muscle car with the 5th gen ,and the 7th gen will take it much further with hybrids .By the time the 7th gen comes out the Challenger if still around will be a much smaller car then it is now , maybe smaller then the gen6 Camaro . It wouldn't make sense to make cars bigger when they need to reinvent the market .

Doin It For Dale · 08-29-2018, 07:42 AM

Smaller? no. More space-efficient? yes. Lighter? yes.

Keep the body length the same, extend the Wheelbase by an inch and a half, Shorten the dash by half an inch, enlarge all windows, and switch that suitcase muffler out for a smaller unit that allows for the spare tire to sit lower(which allows for more trunk space and a lower CG. Put those two inches into the rear seat legroom, and shallow out the rear window rake a little to allow for more rear passenger headroom. Heck, just make it a liftback like the 3rd gens, but with the trunk opening extending down below the taillights.

GM has come a long way in weight reduction technology since the 6th gen was engineered back in 2013/2014. 3D printing, variable-thickness steel, aluminium, and smarter chassis structure will be used on the next generation of Camaros. The DOHC V8s may add a couple dozen pounds, as will safety tech, but the car should still weigh in at 100-150lbs less than the 7th gen while gaining interior room, cargo room, and visibility. There's no way that they'll get into Corvette territory, but future Camaros will be a lot better than the current ones.

KMPrenger · 08-29-2018, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Doin It For Dale

Smaller? no. More space-efficient? yes. Lighter? yes.

Keep the body length the same, extend the Wheelbase by an inch and a half, Shorten the dash by half an inch, enlarge all windows, and switch that suitcase muffler out for a smaller unit that allows for the spare tire to sit lower(which allows for more trunk space and a lower CG. Put those two inches into the rear seat legroom, and shallow out the rear window rake a little to allow for more rear passenger headroom. Heck, just make it a liftback like the 3rd gens, but with the trunk opening extending down below the taillights.

GM has come a long way in weight reduction technology since the 6th gen was engineered back in 2013/2014. 3D printing, variable-thickness steel, aluminium, and smarter chassis structure will be used on the next generation of Camaros. The DOHC V8s may add a couple dozen pounds, as will safety tech, but the car should still weigh in at 100-150lbs less than the 7th gen while gaining interior room, cargo room, and visibility. There's no way that they'll get into Corvette territory, but future Camaros will be a lot better than the current ones.

I have to agree with this for the most part.

The car does not need to be, and should not be smaller. I think it would be a mistake. We aren't wanting a BRZ with a V8. As said above, (aside from keeping the amazing performance/handling from the 6th gen) what needs to be on focus is making the most of the available space. Add an inch or two back to the rear seats. Add an inch or two to shoulder space. Lower the beltline an inch or two if possible.

The educated guess says the next Camaro will ride on the Alpha II platform, which I think will underpin the future CTS. Maybe this alone will allow for a slightly roomier (5th gen in terms of space) interior. Yes, I know this is a Camaro...I don't expect it to have the same kind of room as the current Challenger. If the car is to grow, then hopefully they can keep the weight the same or very similar.

The 5th gen was maybe a bit large in my opinion...maybe not, but the real culprit was weight. If that car had weighed a bit less, it would have been very difficult to complain.

Guys wanting a 3,400 lb SS, but with the same size we have now or larger....it ain't happening.

The only thing that could possible change that is if the car went to the Omega platform, but that is too expensive.

Stex · 08-29-2018, 08:21 AM

Just Hope the designers are taller than the last guy....

Azerlazer26 · 08-29-2018, 08:26 AM

I want to say by 2021/2022

SDG23 · 08-29-2018, 10:09 AM

As long as it looks nothing like the 2019 refresh, that's a good thing. I'm thinking it's time to replace the 6.2L with a 7.0L+ V8 550+ HP in the SS, go big or go home.

Gen6_1Le · 08-29-2018, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SDG23

As long as it looks nothing like the 2019 refresh, that's a good thing. I'm thinking it's time to replace the 6.2L with a 7.0L+ V8 550+ HP in the SS, go big or go home.

There would be no need for a 7.0 when you can have a smaller V8 Hybrid that would be faster .

hotlap · 08-29-2018, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

There would be no need for a 7.0 when you can have a smaller V8 Hybrid that would be faster .

Blasphemy! Heresy!

Bhobbs · 08-29-2018, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

There would be no need for a 7.0 when you can have a smaller V8 Hybrid that would be faster .

Well, until the battery pack goes out.

Give me the 7.0 and you keep the hundreds of pounds in batteries.

Gen6_1Le · 08-29-2018, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlap

Blasphemy! Heresy!

Yeah i know , but the Hybrids are coming .

Gen6_1Le · 08-29-2018, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Well, until the battery pack goes out.

Give me the 7.0 and you keep the hundreds of pounds in batteries.

Realistically which do you think will happen , 7.0 or smaller V8 hybrid ?

Bhobbs · 08-29-2018, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

Realistically which do you think will happen , 7.0 or smaller V8 hybrid ?

For GM? The V8 hybrid.

GroundhogSS · 08-29-2018, 06:16 PM

That engine survey that GM sent out indicates that they are looking at a 6.2 hybrid. That would move pretty good.

Gunkk · 08-29-2018, 06:34 PM

My guess for the hybrid: 6th gen, not 7th. 2021 Z28 drag pack with 6.2 N/A out back and a 200 hp front end electric motor. 10s factory stock. $80k starting MSRP. The challenge will be weight and where to put the battery (probably the bottom 4” of the trunk). It will be the GT500 killer.

08-29-2018, 10:09 AM	#62
SDG23 Drives: 2017 Camaro SS M6 Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Bluegrass State Posts: 547 View My Garage	As long as it looks nothing like the 2019 refresh, that's a good thing. I'm thinking it's time to replace the 6.2L with a 7.0L+ V8 550+ HP in the SS, go big or go home. __________________ 2017 Camaro 1SS - Bright Yellow - 6spd Last edited by SDG23; 08-29-2018 at 10:33 AM.

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GroundhogSS Drives: '17 2SS convertible'20 Yukon Denali Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Cedar Park, Texas Posts: 2,934	That engine survey that GM sent out indicates that they are looking at a 6.2 hybrid. That would move pretty good. __________________ Richard 2017 2SS SIM convertible, A8, NPP, MRC, 56R wheels, GM CAI, Diode Dynamics Side Markers Delivered: 08/15/2016 #TeamBeckyD

08-29-2018, 07:42 AM	#58
Doin It For Dale Drives: Bald Eagle, Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Yonder Posts: 40	Smaller? no. More space-efficient? yes. Lighter? yes. Keep the body length the same, extend the Wheelbase by an inch and a half, Shorten the dash by half an inch, enlarge all windows, and switch that suitcase muffler out for a smaller unit that allows for the spare tire to sit lower(which allows for more trunk space and a lower CG. Put those two inches into the rear seat legroom, and shallow out the rear window rake a little to allow for more rear passenger headroom. Heck, just make it a liftback like the 3rd gens, but with the trunk opening extending down below the taillights. GM has come a long way in weight reduction technology since the 6th gen was engineered back in 2013/2014. 3D printing, variable-thickness steel, aluminium, and smarter chassis structure will be used on the next generation of Camaros. The DOHC V8s may add a couple dozen pounds, as will safety tech, but the car should still weigh in at 100-150lbs less than the 7th gen while gaining interior room, cargo room, and visibility. There's no way that they'll get into Corvette territory, but future Camaros will be a lot better than the current ones.

08-29-2018, 08:21 AM	#60
Stex Drives: 67 goat, 69 goat ram air III Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: South texas Posts: 1,443	Just Hope the designers are taller than the last guy....

08-29-2018, 08:26 AM	#61
Azerlazer26 Drives: 2018 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Michigan Posts: 611 View My Garage	I want to say by 2021/2022

08-29-2018, 06:34 PM	#70
Gunkk Thank you Al Oppenheiser! Drives: Red Hot A10 ZL1 Convertible Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 4,978 View My Garage	My guess for the hybrid: 6th gen, not 7th. 2021 Z28 drag pack with 6.2 N/A out back and a 200 hp front end electric motor. 10s factory stock. $80k starting MSRP. The challenge will be weight and where to put the battery (probably the bottom 4” of the trunk). It will be the GT500 killer.

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