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2SS45th · 08-17-2013, 12:21 PM

Those are ZR1 plugs, those are tge plug of choice for Ted.

SRT10KLLR · 08-17-2013, 12:22 PM

SSS are you running a micro-switch or Electronic TPS.

Two things should have prevented this.

1. Window switch should have shut off the nitrous well before the car hit the rev limiter.

2. Your WOT activation switch should have shut off the nitrous when the PCM closed the TB

If you are using a micro switch that goes on the foot pedal then you were WOT(pedal to the floor) even thought the actual TB might have been closed by the PCM.

Detoxx03 · 08-17-2013, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

I would run colder plugs than that.

Without a doubt

thahemp · 08-17-2013, 12:48 PM

I'm no plug expert, but if he's not detonating or having plug related issues... Why go colder?

Rhino79 · 08-17-2013, 01:17 PM

Just because u don't see knock on the log doesn't mean it's not occurring. Nitrous doesn't like projected tip plug. Let alone having boost and nitrous. A number 6 plug is a great choice for Cammed na setups.

thahemp · 08-17-2013, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhino79

Just because u don't see knock on the log doesn't mean it's not occurring. Nitrous doesn't like projected tip plug. Let alone having boost and nitrous. A number 6 plug is a great choice for Cammed na setups.

That makes sense. Thanks for the input.

SRT10KLLR · 08-17-2013, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dekan513

u running the msd digital window or msd pill style window switch? i tried both and the pill style seems to be more accurate then the digital. but i ended up just going with a nos launcher. its fairly nice setup. but if i had it to do over the lnc progressive controller is where its at i think. but ya window switches dont always catch stuff like that. but at least u know what can happen in a blink of a eye. if u got the extra cash try the lnc its about 600 bucks but well worth it. great controller. if u dont want to spend that spend 400 on the nos launcher. its got tons of safety features. like manifold pressure , a/f low and high. rpm, and a few other lil things. that would be ideal for a car like urs.

I would just use the NOS mini as it's only $250 and has a lot of the same features.

dan0617 · 08-17-2013, 02:44 PM

Need non projected tip plugs if using any nitrous.

Need at least 1 step colder than stock for boost AND one step colder for the spray. At least.

Need a controller, or at least a rev limiter that will shut down the spark without shutting the throttle blades. That way the spray will go out the exhaust for the engine cycles that aren't firing, rather than stack up in the air intake tract.

Need an AFR much richer than when using boost alone, as shown on the wideband.

I've mentioned these things on this forum in some previous threads but I always get shot down, then when carnage happens everyone blames the spray and gets afraid of it.

Glad to see Jaime isn't afraid to use it again.

With these things I mentioned alot of nitrous problems wouldn't happen. May or may not have saved this engine, that could be debated forever without an answer. Just Don't be afraid of nitrous, do the things I listed, retard the timing and make sure the fuel supply is plenty and all will be good.

Rhino79 · 08-17-2013, 03:43 PM

On nitrous and boost, a wideband is ok for getting in the ballpark, but I final tune off plug reading for fuel and timing.

2SS45th · 08-17-2013, 05:33 PM

I wouldn't go two steps colder, not really needed. Jamie drives his car, he wouldn't want all the drivability issues of two step colder plugs.

Rhino79 · 08-17-2013, 05:35 PM

I daily on BR7ef's, its really not bad. Id rather run a safer plug and it be more cold natured, than having a good daily driving plug and melt stuff.

Or, run around on a number 6 plug and swap to 7's at the track.

My motor makes the same power on motor with the 7's as it it did with #6 plugs. And they are gapped at .025

2SS45th · 08-17-2013, 05:46 PM

I ran 7s before I went to the #6 ZR1s, I hated driving the car before I made the switch, terrible to drive in town in traffic. But I agree with the possibility of swapping at the track, that would be a good solution.

Supercharged SS · 08-17-2013, 05:56 PM

Spark plugs had NOTHING to do with what happened. Wouldn't have mattered if the plugs I was using were made by GOD. The two melted plugs had no chance.

The plugs that I have been using have been good. And I have been using them since day 1. Even the plugs on the other 6 cylinders looked very good after this incident.

I pull a plug after every pass. Not only do I inspect it I send multiple photos to Ted along with the log and wait to hear back before I make another pass. I know that know one else is taking this to that level. That's why my car has been able the way it is for 4 years.

Like I said, a few times now...if you race the car as much as I do there will come a point where the shit hits the fan, and it did. Unlike a lot of people my car is an open book, I'm not cutting weight or running on the ragged edge to post a number. Everyone knows what the deal is inside and out.

I'll continue to run whatever Ted puts in the car, why, because it has worked all along and there is no denying that.

Supercharged SS · 08-17-2013, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Yeah cool, If it was me I'd just go a little over and reuse the block or just another stock bare block if it's important to stay stock cubes.

What plugs do you run, what heat range?

By the time you add up all the machining costs and down time it actually make more sense to just buy a brand new GM LS3 block. They aren't that much money. Plus at this point, I'm way past worrying about a few extra nickels.

I think I'm going to send my block to ERL to have them redo it.

08-17-2013, 12:21 PM	#99
2SS45th Drives: 11 Seconds or Faster Join Date: May 2012 Location: Arvada, Colorado Posts: 2,797 View My Garage	Those are ZR1 plugs, those are tge plug of choice for Ted. __________________ I Ain't About That Stock Life.

08-17-2013, 12:22 PM	#100
SRT10KLLR Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Down South Posts: 1,497	SSS are you running a micro-switch or Electronic TPS. Two things should have prevented this. 1. Window switch should have shut off the nitrous well before the car hit the rev limiter. 2. Your WOT activation switch should have shut off the nitrous when the PCM closed the TB If you are using a micro switch that goes on the foot pedal then you were WOT(pedal to the floor) even thought the actual TB might have been closed by the PCM. __________________ 2005 Dodge Ram 2500 RCSB Thunder Road Hemi Sport w/STS Turbo 2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10 - Silver - Stock 2003 Chevy 1500 RCSB Stepside 400SS - 408 in now awaiting Turbo

08-17-2013, 12:48 PM	#102
thahemp Geek Drives: 2012 Black LS3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, KS Posts: 4,343 View My Garage	I'm no plug expert, but if he's not detonating or having plug related issues... Why go colder? __________________ 01000111011011110110111101100100001000000110110001 11010101100011011010110010000001110111011010010111 01000110100000100000011101000110100001101001011100 110010000001101111011011100110010100100001 x = ac97968bd3df8f968c8cd3df998a9c94d3df9c8a918bd3df9c 909c94df8c8a9c949a8dd3df92908b979a8ddf998a9c949a8d d3df8b968b8cd1 x = ~x

08-17-2013, 02:44 PM	#106
dan0617 Drives: 2011 Inferno Orange SS Convertible Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Tyrone, PA Posts: 640 View My Garage	Need non projected tip plugs if using any nitrous. Need at least 1 step colder than stock for boost AND one step colder for the spray. At least. Need a controller, or at least a rev limiter that will shut down the spark without shutting the throttle blades. That way the spray will go out the exhaust for the engine cycles that aren't firing, rather than stack up in the air intake tract. Need an AFR much richer than when using boost alone, as shown on the wideband. I've mentioned these things on this forum in some previous threads but I always get shot down, then when carnage happens everyone blames the spray and gets afraid of it. Glad to see Jaime isn't afraid to use it again. With these things I mentioned alot of nitrous problems wouldn't happen. May or may not have saved this engine, that could be debated forever without an answer. Just Don't be afraid of nitrous, do the things I listed, retard the timing and make sure the fuel supply is plenty and all will be good. __________________ 2011 SS IOM Vert. ECS Vortech 13+ psi, Water/Meth, ID850’s, ZL1 pump with MSD Voltage Booster, 2800 stall, LT headers, Drag radials, Drag alignment, Cradle Bushings. A million other supporting mods. Tuned by Ted. Last edited by dan0617; 08-17-2013 at 02:56 PM.

08-17-2013, 05:33 PM	#108
2SS45th Drives: 11 Seconds or Faster Join Date: May 2012 Location: Arvada, Colorado Posts: 2,797 View My Garage	I wouldn't go two steps colder, not really needed. Jamie drives his car, he wouldn't want all the drivability issues of two step colder plugs. __________________ I Ain't About That Stock Life.

08-17-2013, 01:17 PM	#103
Rhino79 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99/Auto Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Cabot, AR Posts: 2,827 View My Garage	Just because u don't see knock on the log doesn't mean it's not occurring. Nitrous doesn't like projected tip plug. Let alone having boost and nitrous. A number 6 plug is a great choice for Cammed na setups.

08-17-2013, 03:43 PM	#107
Rhino79 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99/Auto Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Cabot, AR Posts: 2,827 View My Garage	On nitrous and boost, a wideband is ok for getting in the ballpark, but I final tune off plug reading for fuel and timing.

08-17-2013, 05:35 PM	#109
Rhino79 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99/Auto Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Cabot, AR Posts: 2,827 View My Garage	I daily on BR7ef's, its really not bad. Id rather run a safer plug and it be more cold natured, than having a good daily driving plug and melt stuff. Or, run around on a number 6 plug and swap to 7's at the track. My motor makes the same power on motor with the 7's as it it did with #6 plugs. And they are gapped at .025

08-17-2013, 05:46 PM	#110
2SS45th Drives: 11 Seconds or Faster Join Date: May 2012 Location: Arvada, Colorado Posts: 2,797 View My Garage	I ran 7s before I went to the #6 ZR1s, I hated driving the car before I made the switch, terrible to drive in town in traffic. But I agree with the possibility of swapping at the track, that would be a good solution. __________________ I Ain't About That Stock Life.

08-17-2013, 05:56 PM	#111
Supercharged SS Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Sandy Hook, CT Posts: 11,927	Spark plugs had NOTHING to do with what happened. Wouldn't have mattered if the plugs I was using were made by GOD. The two melted plugs had no chance. The plugs that I have been using have been good. And I have been using them since day 1. Even the plugs on the other 6 cylinders looked very good after this incident. I pull a plug after every pass. Not only do I inspect it I send multiple photos to Ted along with the log and wait to hear back before I make another pass. I know that know one else is taking this to that level. That's why my car has been able the way it is for 4 years. Like I said, a few times now...if you race the car as much as I do there will come a point where the shit hits the fan, and it did. Unlike a lot of people my car is an open book, I'm not cutting weight or running on the ragged edge to post a number. Everyone knows what the deal is inside and out. I'll continue to run whatever Ted puts in the car, why, because it has worked all along and there is no denying that.