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nak3dsnake · 04-10-2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PercyJWellingtonIII

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That intergrated exhaust port will blow away any type of headers you will ever put on it. It also reduces weight and leaves more space.

Then why don't the V8 engines have them if the are so much better? Why don't they use them on racing engines? Because they are for cost savings and fuel efficiency, not power. Just ask lotus.

blaSSt · 04-10-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nfamous209

umm u realize the ls1's had all the same power of 350hp right? it was just rated lower on paper for insurance purposes and gm didnt want the camaro to have same power rating as the vette.

Incorrect.

During LS1 production camshafts changed, exhaust manifolds changed, intakes changed. Early LS1's had much less power than later ones. Ratings had to do with configuration, not insurance.

bmorecam · 04-10-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nak3dsnake

So let me see... Some of you guys are ok with not being able to install shorty's or long tube headers just for 15-20 more horse from the factory?

I completely understand what you are saying but what are we currently getting with a full bolt on right now with our LLT? Catback, intake, and long tube is only good for about 25-30 wheel hp top before a tune and before going FI.
I bet its probably possible to see that number and maybe even more with just a e85 tune if indeed camaro do come out with the new LFX engine for the 2012. Now I don't know if they will have the same bosch ECU like our current generation does but even if is the same I bet there will be way more tuning option for LFX than our LLT.

nak3dsnake · 04-10-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bmorecam

I completely understand what you are saying but what are we currently getting with a full bolt on right now with our LLT? Catback, intake, and long tube is only good for about 25-30 wheel hp top before a tune and before going FI.
I bet its probably possible to see that number and maybe even more with just a e85 tune if indeed camaro do come out with the new LFX engine for the 2012. Now I don't know if they will have the same bosch ECU like our current generation does but even if is the same I bet there will be way more tuning option for LFX than our LLT.

According to the specs before they took them down they have changed the brand of the ECU. I'm wondering if it can be used on the LLT.

bmorecam · 04-10-2011, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by nak3dsnake

According to the specs before they took them down they have changed the brand of the ECU. I'm wondering if it can be used on the LLT.

Maybe this is another reason why current tuners are not really messing with the LLT ecu, I know in the past HPtuners didn't even want to touch the bosch on the caddy and our camaro according to their forum.
Maybe the LFX is really coming for 2012 and is more than just a rumor. If I was a tuner I know I woudn't put any money onto the current bosch knowing that a new ecu is coming for 2012 and its probably easier to tune and over top of that its e85. Coming from Sti and cobb's e85 tuning, I know the new LFX is going to be a good player in the game, at least better than the current LLT.
Regardless, I wish I would have known about this

nak3dsnake · 04-10-2011, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bmorecam

Maybe this is another reason why current tuners are not really messing with the LLT ecu, I know in the past HPtuners didn't even want to touch the bosch on the caddy and our camaro according to their forum.
Maybe the LFX is really coming for 2012 and is more than just a rumor. If I was a tuner I know I woudn't put any money onto the current bosch knowing that a new ecu is coming for 2012 and its probably easier to tune and over top of that its e85. Coming from Sti and cobb's e85 tuning, I know the new LFX is going to be a good player in the game, at least better than the current LLT.
Regardless, I wish I would have known about this

Its most likely is why a lot of the tuners dropped. It make sense. I wonder why the Bosch one is so bad? I've never looked at an ECU's code so I have no idea.

Revo1 · 04-10-2011, 11:06 AM

Holy cow! Those are some damned good numbers!

My 4th gen is gonna have to keep its guard up!

nak3dsnake · 04-10-2011, 11:08 AM

I wonder how much better in would do after porting that integrated manifold?

FC_GIBB · 05-13-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nak3dsnake

Here's the 3.0 with the integrated exhaust port.

Slap a turbo on both sides and were in business!

Caliman93230 · 05-25-2011, 08:18 AM

Can wait for some one to run e85 and a shot of nitrous, a 11 second pass was made with a guy runing 81 oct and a shot of Nos, dam

Caliman93230 · 05-25-2011, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FC_GIBB

Slap a turbo on both sides and were in business!

Also people are going to run straight pipes with high flow casts so ther will be an after market for exaust

CAMAR0 · 05-28-2011, 05:05 AM

The released dyno numbers are for 87 octane. i'd expect +11hp and +13ftlb when running e85 (if still compatible) based on other dyno charts (334hp 291lbft). Only downside is filling up 40% sooner.

StangKiller-SS · 05-28-2011, 10:58 AM

You never want to tip your HP hand all at once. Glad to see GM is once again and as per usual going to make Ford play catch up in the HP wars.

JWoj3540 · 08-02-2011, 09:05 PM

Check out this video if you haven't already seen it:

http://www.ca.autoblog.com/2011/05/1...wer/#continued

Provides great visuals and explanation of how the LFX integrated the exhaust manifold into the cylinder head. I was planning on getting a 2012 V6, but am now second guessing because I can't throw some headers on it :( Anyone else share this disappointment? Although the video boasts improved air flow, I'm assuming it still won't match the air you can force out with headers??

04-10-2011, 11:06 AM	#175
Revo1 Don't Like it? Suggit. Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 14,832 View My Garage	Holy cow! Those are some damned good numbers! My 4th gen is gonna have to keep its guard up! __________________ "Tops off, tach up baby- loud and proud!" A Camaro lover from day one- 1996 3.8 V6 Camaro, to 1996 5.7 LT1 Camaro Z28, to the sold 2002 5.7 LS1 Camaro SS, and NOW, a [I]6.2 L99 VR 2SS/RS: XS Power stainless full exhaust, Airaid CAI, BMR drop springs and sways, custom tune by Cal Speed- 411rwhp

04-10-2011, 11:08 AM	#176
nak3dsnake Drives: 2010 Camaro IBM 2LT/RS M6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 2,282 View My Garage	I wonder how much better in would do after porting that integrated manifold? __________________ Looks: AAC P13W DRLs, Heritage Grille, RS Embroidered Headrests, GM Door Sill Plates, GM Premium Floor Mats, Body Color Engine Cover, LLT Mobile 1 Oil Cap, ZL1 Sport Pedals, 3M Clear Bra. Performance: Vararam Ram Air Intake, Hurst Short Throw Shifter w/ Hurst Hard Drive Pistol Grip, IDEALG Clutch Master Cylinder, RX Catch can, GTO clutch fluid reservoir, Brembo Brakes, 1LE Track Pack, GMPP Exhaust Upgrade.

05-25-2011, 08:18 AM	#178
Caliman93230 Drives: LS3S/C Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: CALI Posts: 1,344	Can wait for some one to run e85 and a shot of nitrous, a 11 second pass was made with a guy runing 81 oct and a shot of Nos, dam __________________ MODS whipple 2.9L s/c, ADM race scoop, 600 rwhp 550 wrtq, .

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08-02-2011, 09:05 PM	#182
JWoj3540 Drives: 2012 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 696	Check out this video if you haven't already seen it: http://www.ca.autoblog.com/2011/05/1...wer/#continued Provides great visuals and explanation of how the LFX integrated the exhaust manifold into the cylinder head. I was planning on getting a 2012 V6, but am now second guessing because I can't throw some headers on it :( Anyone else share this disappointment? Although the video boasts improved air flow, I'm assuming it still won't match the air you can force out with headers??