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GEEo · 10-11-2010, 06:04 PM

Barton or MGW is the most liked here.

I personally like the Barton.

macwest · 10-11-2010, 06:29 PM

I have tried both Barton and Hurst. Barton has the shortest throw. Barton is a tight fit hurst is slightly sloppy,1/4 inch movement,top of shifter, once in gear.

Hurst has advantage that they are releaseing the pistol grip shifter but in feel I liked the barton better.

Merc · 10-11-2010, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MGW

i understand your point of moving the pivot being the same principle but there is MUCH more to making a short shifter besides just making the throw shorter,...

1. the internal springs in the tranny are not robust enough to make 2-3 shifts perfect. the MGW shifter housing has additional springs.

2. the rear mounting design of the stock shifter is mainly focused on eliminating NVH and as a result is WAYYY too spongy and allows the shifter and tranny to torque against each other during hard shifts.

just food for thought....

regards
george

Thanks George.

ITGuy11 · 10-12-2010, 08:34 AM

The MGW is a complete shifter replacement, not just the stick. IMO changing just the stick is a band-aid.

Merc · 10-12-2010, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ITGuy11

The MGW is a complete shifter replacement, not just the stick. IMO changing just the stick is a band-aid.

newagemuscle · 10-12-2010, 08:42 AM

My 2 cents... I have the hurst, love the look, and appreciate the name heritage. If I were to do it again though and I will be in spring, I would go with the mgw. Much better shifter all around. My hurst is very notch. Anyone that tells you different has never shifter the mgw back to back with the hurst. Don't go for the name like I did, go with what works.

ssmike · 10-12-2010, 10:19 AM

I may end up doing the same thing! Mine's pretty notchy too, but it was notchy before I changed to the Hurst. I wonder how much is due to the tranny and how much due to the Hurst? The Hurst gives nice short throws but it takes time to get it into gear, especially 2nd and 3rd. Kinda defeats the purpose.

newagemuscle · 10-12-2010, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssmike

I may end up doing the same thing! Mine's pretty notchy too, but it was notchy before I changed to the Hurst. I wonder how much is due to the tranny and how much due to the Hurst? The Hurst gives nice short throws but it takes time to get it into gear, especially 2nd and 3rd. Kinda defeats the purpose.

That's how I feel. It's like fighting the shifts some times. I got in one with the mgw and it was on a different level.

themossman · 10-12-2010, 11:26 AM

look at the 'parts' that are included with each of the kits....as someone else mentioned...the mgw is a complete replacement of the unit...

Ghost-Rider · 10-12-2010, 11:34 AM

Hurst.

GM chose it in the 60's for OEM all the way up until now- 2010 OEM. 50+ years! In 50+ years will Hurst still be around? You can bet on it. Will XYZ shifter company be around to replace or rebuild your worn out shifter bushings? maybe - maybe not.

For those of you with notchy transmissions - don't blame the shifter. Plus there is a solution: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100114

If my transmission was notchy - I might opt for the taller (it fits and works well on the Camaros as well as the Challengers) pistol grip: http://www.hurst-shifters.com/NEW-PR...ANIUM_ANODIZED

Merc · 10-12-2010, 12:01 PM

I'll take my chances with my MGW.

ssmike · 10-12-2010, 12:03 PM

Ghost-Rider, thanks for the suggestion but that shift handle is way too high for me! I like shorter shifters. I don't really care for the pistol grip either. I have the standard Hurst shifter with a T-handle. Looks great but don't like the notchy feel and that T-handle gets WAY too hot or cold! Looks like MGW is the way I'll go eventually!

cubjag · 10-12-2010, 12:09 PM

MGW is hands down the best mod I've done so far.

Merc · 10-12-2010, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssmike

Ghost-Rider, thanks for the suggestion but that shift handle is way too high for me! I like shorter shifters. I don't really care for the pistol grip either. I have the standard Hurst shifter with a T-handle. Looks great but don't like the notchy feel and that T-handle gets WAY too hot or cold! Looks like MGW is the way I'll go eventually!

You will not regret getting the MGW.

10-12-2010, 08:42 AM	#20
newagemuscle Philippians 4:13 Drives: SLP Supercharged LS3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Motor City - Michigan Posts: 2,902 View My Garage	My 2 cents... I have the hurst, love the look, and appreciate the name heritage. If I were to do it again though and I will be in spring, I would go with the mgw. Much better shifter all around. My hurst is very notch. Anyone that tells you different has never shifter the mgw back to back with the hurst. Don't go for the name like I did, go with what works. __________________

10-12-2010, 11:26 AM	#23
themossman Apprehensive Optimist Drives: '10 SS/RS SIM Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: JAX Posts: 1,383	look at the 'parts' that are included with each of the kits....as someone else mentioned...the mgw is a complete replacement of the unit... __________________ Car is for sale --->http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158486 Current Summary: Engine:Phase One-(All work by Vengeance Racing): Custom Cam, AR Headers, ported throttle body, ported intake, custom tune, dual valve springs, hardened push rods, under drive pulley, thermostat, Vararam CAI, C5R timing chain, Melling oil pump catch can, breather, MagnaFlow Sport Axle Back Suspension: Pfadt Sport Sway Bars, Pfadt drop springs Other: MGW Shifter, Custom Paint my build journal ---->http://camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30057

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10-11-2010, 06:04 PM	#15
GEEo OKCamaros Drives: 4 banger Diesel Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Philippines Posts: 4,572	Barton or MGW is the most liked here. I personally like the Barton.

10-11-2010, 06:29 PM	#16
macwest Drives: 10 Camaro 2SS/RS, 70 Cuda, 71 Cuda Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Oakley - Northern California Posts: 1,156 View My Garage	I have tried both Barton and Hurst. Barton has the shortest throw. Barton is a tight fit hurst is slightly sloppy,1/4 inch movement,top of shifter, once in gear. Hurst has advantage that they are releaseing the pistol grip shifter but in feel I liked the barton better.

10-12-2010, 08:34 AM	#18
ITGuy11 Burning up tires Drives: 2023 ZL1 Vert Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Macomb Twp, MI Posts: 717	The MGW is a complete shifter replacement, not just the stick. IMO changing just the stick is a band-aid.

10-12-2010, 10:19 AM	#21
ssmike BL1ZZRD Drives: '16 Camaro 2SS, '20 Equinox Redline Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 7,840	I may end up doing the same thing! Mine's pretty notchy too, but it was notchy before I changed to the Hurst. I wonder how much is due to the tranny and how much due to the Hurst? The Hurst gives nice short throws but it takes time to get it into gear, especially 2nd and 3rd. Kinda defeats the purpose.

10-12-2010, 11:34 AM	#24
Ghost-Rider Drives: SW 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Honolulu Posts: 73	Hurst. GM chose it in the 60's for OEM all the way up until now- 2010 OEM. 50+ years! In 50+ years will Hurst still be around? You can bet on it. Will XYZ shifter company be around to replace or rebuild your worn out shifter bushings? maybe - maybe not. For those of you with notchy transmissions - don't blame the shifter. Plus there is a solution: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100114 If my transmission was notchy - I might opt for the taller (it fits and works well on the Camaros as well as the Challengers) pistol grip: http://www.hurst-shifters.com/NEW-PR...ANIUM_ANODIZED

10-12-2010, 12:01 PM	#25
Merc In The Circle Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SSRS IOM M6 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Abbotsford BC Canada Posts: 11,292	I'll take my chances with my MGW.

10-12-2010, 12:03 PM	#26
ssmike BL1ZZRD Drives: '16 Camaro 2SS, '20 Equinox Redline Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 7,840	Ghost-Rider, thanks for the suggestion but that shift handle is way too high for me! I like shorter shifters. I don't really care for the pistol grip either. I have the standard Hurst shifter with a T-handle. Looks great but don't like the notchy feel and that T-handle gets WAY too hot or cold! Looks like MGW is the way I'll go eventually!

10-12-2010, 12:09 PM	#27
cubjag Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Black Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 126 View My Garage	MGW is hands down the best mod I've done so far.